I think Larry Holmes was jealous of Ali

Even if we consider those comments to be true, none of it is relevant when it comes to a prime for prime match-up.

People have the tendency to take the best attributes Ali showed throughout several decades of fighting, and mix it into one version of a fighter that never existed. Ali was never the overall package that Larry was.

Yes, Ali in the 70s MAY have been stronger and more powerful, but at that point he was clearly slipping in terms of stamina, reflexes and footwork. His lack of defense was thus exposed.

Norton gave Ali fits with a good jab all 3 times, because Ali carried his right hand totally out of position, hence why Futch constructed a strategy for Norton to parry Ali's jab and counter with his own, with a defenseless Ali being unable to do anything about it. Holmes, who had a better jab than Norton, with Futch in his corner clearly beats Ali.

Now prime for prime, Ali did have superb footwork, excellent stamina and great reflexes, but that version of Ali would have been at a physical disadvantage against Larry, considering he never displayed the strength and power, as well as the ring savvy he did later in his career. You could also argue that he couldn't take a punch quite as well.

Either way, it's debatable.

 

Ali was better and proved himself against FAR BETTER opponents.

Get off the chiba, folks.

 

:huh

In his first run pre lay off, Ali had 22 knock outs out of 28 fights. That's a 78.6 knockout percentage. That's higher than that of Holmes himself, Lewis, Louis, and even Tyson's! :think
Ali didn't have ring savvy? atsch I simply don't know where to begin. Also, Holmes couldn't drop, let alone knock out a COMPLETELY SHOT ZOMBIFIED Ali. This Ali wasn't even punching back at all. The question isn't "Does Ali have the power to trouble Holmes?" The question is "Does Holmes have the power to drop Ali?"! :think

Did you need see the fight of the century? atsch Ali made Frazier miss so many of his shots, using his defense, and reflexes. Hell, his style was based off his reflexes for God's sake! Also, how do you know Holmes had the best jab? There's plenty of jabs that were just as good, if not better than that of Holmes?

Does Holmes have the advantage over Ali in any significant department?
Speed? No
Defense? No
Stamina? No
Chin? No
Strength? Hell no
Power? No
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. :nono

How so? Almost (if not) Anything Holmes did, Ali did better.

 

At least, somebody understands this. :good

 

It's understandale. Holmes has said repeatedly that he could've beaten Ali in 75.
He had to fill shoes which no one could have, and he wanted to be loved. Ali's successor would have been better off being a heal.
Additionally, athletes who achieve Larry's level of success don't do it without an outsized ego.

 

When you said "heal" do you mean "heel"?

As in bad guy?

 

Yes

 

Knokcout percentage is not an argument. He knocked over a ton of cans and overmatched opponents. Ali in the 60s did not have top flight power or anything like it. Look at his fight with Mildenberger. Holmes right hand/uppercut, based on film is a far heavier puncher than anything 60s Ali threw.

The fact that you're using their fight in which Holmes clearly held back as evidence of anything is hilarious.

No, did you watch it?

Because Frazier battered Ali from pillar to post and connected on such a high rate even though the only punch in his entire ****nal was the left hook. His reflexes were clearly not what they once were. Or anything close to it.

Prime for prime, Holmes is stronger, more powerful with a better jab.

70s Ali gets jabbed to death worse than he did against Norton, whom he arguably never beat. :hi:

 

Jealous of Ali maybe, jealous of Foreman definitely!

 

Yeahvlarry is jealous because Foreman knocked out a prime Norton and Larry was dropped by an Old Norton.

Foreman is also 2 time lineal and Holmes is 2 time titleist.

Ali also has better wins than Holmes. Holmes used to be underrated but now he is overrated.

Strange.



Foreman ko 1
Clay ko when he predicts

 

Yes, I have eyes. I clearly see that Holmes had more pop than a 60s version of Ali. He knocked out better and bigger opponents than Ali did in the 60s, and in a more impressive manner. When did Ali ever unleash a punch as powerful as the uppercut that Holmes decked Weaver with?

You are delusional if you think this.

Yes, he did. Both guys took brutal punishment. There is no way a prime Ali would have taken that many punches from Joe. No way in hell.

I also saw how many punches he took that he would have avoided easily in his prime.

He did 95% of the work with the left hook.

Enough for what?

Stop switching goal posts. You said Holmes had no advantages over Ali. Either admit you're wrong or don't respond at all.

With Futch in his corner he could pull off the same strategy.

Larry never went past 12, had an injured hand and still beat Norton convincingly. The only controversy surrounding that fight was how the hell the judges had it a draw after 14.