"I think Morales wants to fight" - Pac vs Morales I

Pac would have NEVER beat this Prime Moarles not at 122 126 or 130 PRIME

http://www.youtube.com/v/rN1o6mmXoJQ&hl=en&fs=1 :deal

 

morales did not beat a prime/peak pacquiao either. he beaten a pacquiao who moved up to 130. :deal

 

Are you sure? The problem is you can NEVER prove that. yep
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I'd say Pacquiao's prime weight was/is definitely 130. His best performances have been at that weight, he has never looked more comfortable. Nonetheless, when Morales beat him it was his first fight there, and his style was still the reckless, one-dimensional, power-obsessive style that he carried through the lower weights. He refined his style to accommodate the higher weight, using the right hand far more, going to the body, calculating his attacks, refining his defense... and he is now the best fighter on the planet. Whereas Morales at 122 was clearly a much better fighter than the 130 version. That's not to take anything away from Pac, Morales was still the best in the division at the time IMO.

 

Posting videos? Which one are you? Domngo, johnco?

:roll:

 

Though Morales won, this fight showed what kind of Heart the Pacman has.
Lesser fighters would have cried and quit after suffering such a nasty cut.

 

I dont think so.

I've been following his career since 1996, and I can say for certain that he has lost a lot of physical advantages since going up to 126.

He's a really weird physical specimen. At 112, he had the height and the reach advantage, almost Tommy Hearns like proportions. He had a dynamiet left cross and he could mix it up. He was a club fighter. tough and fun to watch.

When he outgrew the division, and I thought he would have to go up to 115, I thought his best days would be over. He would lose his speed and power, I thought. When I heard he jumped up to 122, I was sure that he's gonna be a journeyman-gatekeeper now for the asia-pacific circuit.

But he proved me wrong. He always proved me wrong.

Looking back, I'd say his prime 1 punch punching power was at 112.

His prime handspeed was at 122.

His prime technical skills was at 130.

But he has lost a lot of his aggressiveness and speed now. Trust me.

I can barely recognize his old style when he fights now. He lost the wild eyed, animal ferocity that I used to love to watch, win or lose.

If Roach was able to handle him as early as 1998, Manny's absolute prime, physically and technically, would have been 1999-2003 or a bit later, at 122.

 

That was his prime weight but he can no longer stay in that weight division w/out dehydrating himself. I think he can rule 135 if he wants to.

 

yes i agree that 130 is his prime weight. he might have slowed down physically compared to when he was in 122 (physical peak) but he developed his skills more at 130. so over-all, the 130 version of pacquiao is a better fighter than the ferocious and animal-like pac of 122.

good unbiased post btw. way far from the comments like "pac would never beat a prime morales ever".

 

It has served fully well the purpose of distracting posters who don't agree to my posts.

 

Oscar De La Hoya's prime punching weight was 130. But 147 was clearly his prime weight. Fighters that drain themselves to make lower weight divisions that they made before they filled into their frame, are always going to hit harder than at the classes above. Roy Jones had unbelievable power at 160, but his best weights were 168 and 175.

Same story again. A lighter fighter version of a fighter will always be faster. Lightweight Oscar was like lightning compared to light-middleweight Oscar.

Losing reckless aggressiveness is a sign of maturity and an evolved style. He is still offensively oriented, but he takes fighters apart rather than trying to take their head off with each punch. This is because he knows relying on such powerful aggression is one-dimensional, and when a fighter figures it out (Morales/Marquez) there is no avenue around it. Whereas the more conservative and calculated Pacquiao is not anywhere near as vulnerable defensively.

I don't agree with this. Manny has now filled out his frame, and you just watch him and see how comfortable he is. He doesn't have to kill himself to make weight, and he is still the most devastating puncher in the lower divisions. Speed is obviously going to deteriorate as he moves up, it happens to all fighters who move up in weight. You can't look at his fights are 112 and 115 and actually consider them 'normal fights' (for lack of a better term, kind of like Oscar at 130), he was a kid who hadn't filled out at all and was killing himself to make weight. This is shown by his two KO losses down in those divisions. Why did they occur?

At 122, he was certainly more comfortable, but he was still not fully-developed. A case can definitely be made for 126, but due to his performances at 130, and his physical appearance at 130, I can't concede that any weight other than 130 was his peak. You simply can't incorporate the physical assets of a malnourished, underdeveloped fighter, when evaluating their career. They will always look faster and more powerful against naturally smaller opponents, when they're below their own natural weight. There are countless of examples of such.

 

Agree with it all, one of my fav moments watching boxing, esp in the first after he gets pushed to the ropes by Pac he immediately fights manny and gets manny through the ropes.

Yeah it was sweet Morales asking how we liked the 12th round when he switched.

A great fighter, with a fighters heart.

 

It has no connection at all. It's your opinion as a hardcore Morales fan and nothing more than hot air. Morales lost to a fighter w/ superior fighter. That's all. You can't just change a fighter overnight. How would you explain the fact that he was competitive in his fight w/ David Diaz and nearly beat the guy? He did not appear shot in that fight. Pac as evidenced by the results w/ his KO victory over Diaz showed that he was a better fighter than Morales if you want to show connections between fighters.

 

He was not in his prime if he was he would have defeated diaz.
He was in his 4th division and that was his last fight