"I think Morales wants to fight" - Pac vs Morales I

Oh right, the old fighter A, B and C theory. Good logic, that!

It's easy enough to look at Morales' record to be able to judge how much he had slipped. Like seriously, 1 loss in 48 fights. But he then proceeded to lose FIVE of his next SIX, the only victory being the one over Pacquiao.

But then you can actually watch the footage and see the difference. Raheem actually hurt Morales a couple of times, his punch resistance was nothing compared to what it once was, his reflexes were deteriorating, his power was basically non-existent. It's an accumulation of wars that caught up with him, and no objective fight fan can say otherwise. The physical deterioration happened before our eyes across a few fights, and it was clear that the mental dedication wasn't there anymore too.

Go away johnco.

 

Absolutely right. I think Morales had the perfect package to beat Pacquiao in his prime, moreso that Juan Manuel Marquez. He had the boxing savvy and knowledge to outbox him, the power to keep Pacquiao honest, and the chin to take his shots. Prime for Prime I think Morales is just a bad match up for the Pac-Man.

 

also had the right amount of aggressivness, that was inate and Marquez just can't seem to learn, that would have Pacquiao taking steps back.

 

Pac a good account of himself in the 1st fight despite the huge cut caused by a headbutt and him being forced to use the pillow gloves. I scored that fight a draw, I have posted my scorecards before. Still I have no probloem with people scoring it for Morales as the rounds are very close.

But we all saw what happens without the disadvantages (cut, winning gloves) in the 2 succeeding rematches.

 

scoring that fight a draw is ridiculous. Pacquiao lost and pretty definitively.

 

Yawn.

What about the disadvantage of Morales being shot? Oh wait, that would take something away from Pacquiao, so it doesn't suit your agenda. My mistake.

 

The best version of pac was the one at 130 and that version that fought diaz. that pac against prime morales head to head would result to a pac victory.

 

morales was indeed on a downslide when he first encountered pac. but that morales was a very determined Morales and was still the best at 130 aside from barrera.

pac on the other hand was a reckless slugger, and a 122 fighter who moved up to 126 then straight to 130, he hadn't even had the chance to fill his frame. that was the defining line of the fight.

 

Stupid *******s. Morales lost five of his last six fights and the only victory of the six was this fight against Pacman.

Pacman beat a great boxer in the twilight of his career. The amount of wars Morales participated in took its toll, which is why he started to decline at a younger age. Sure Pac got revenge twice and won both fights in dominating fashion, but each time it was against an older, slower and less impressive Morales...he wasn't proving anything in a prime-for-prime sense.

In his prime I think Morales had all the tools to beat a prime pacman, Barrera and JMM did too. ****, Barreras last fight (of his career) he took Pacman the distance with huge physical disadvantages (slow as hell). I think we can all agree the Pac was great in their first fight, and Barrera wasn't. Finally JMM...again he isn't in hie prime. Career wise he is doing his best work, but look at some videos from before the first pac fight...he was an exceptional boxer.

Pac is an ATG boxer no doubt. P4p number one and all that, but to say he beats prime-for-prime EM, MAB and JMM just because of his victories over older versions is bull****.

 

Gotcha loud and clear, jbuz.

But for me, personally, I really miss those old style Pacquiao Pier six brawls. Every second of the fight feels like a sudden death playoff. You know Pac has the power to knock people out, but you also know that his chin isnt exactly made out of granite. Whoever lands first wins. And usually it's Pac.

I loved those moments. You're always at the edge of your seats.

Actually, I believe that Manny was very comfortable at 122 back in 2000-2003, and when they fought Barrera and JMM, Pac was actually 1 pound and a few ounzes under the limit. After winning against MAB, Roach was saying that they can still easily go back to 122 and unify the titles.

He jumped 10 pounds, from 112 to 122 lbs. Jr.featherweight was his comfortable fighting weight at the time. His management could have told him to fight at 118, (there was loose talk of him fighting Ayala, Johnny Tapia, Tim Austin there, but I didnt think it would be possible. And I would be worried for his health. I thought he would get mauled by those guys)

but they knew that he would not be comfortable at that weight anymore, so they didnt force it.

But because of the Mexican big 3's staying at featherweight, and the host of other attractive fights at 126, they decided to bulk up and finally stay at 126.

I believe Pac would have still been fighting as a jr.featherweight as late as 2005 if the MAB-Pac I fight never happened.

 

Morales had never fielded any excuse that he was shot from their 1st fight to the 3rd fight. It is only you his hardcore fans who had kept on insisting that he had seen better days. So, why did you guys not advise him to retire then? Why did you not write his handlers to tell Morales to hang his gloves? Why can't you not accept that he lost to a better fighter? Why can't you give credit for his wins over your boy? Why can't you not be like gentleman Erik who was gracious in defeat by raising Pac's hands after the fight? Erik and JMM's fans are poor losers in Pacland.

 

Common sense you stupid piece of ****. Lots of boxers fight past their best.

He did lose to a better fighter, im not saying Pacman doesn't deserve those wins, but they were Morales' last fights. At that stage of his career (the last stage!) he wasn't as fast, powerful or dynamic as he once was....he was past his best. Thats why he retired, he had nothing left.

You are a dip****.

 

Great times. Unfortunately, his last great fight.

 

****ing namecalling again?

Ah **** it.

I'm outta here.

 

When does a fighter ever say "I'm shot"? That immediately indicates they have nothing left, diminishing their marketability and steering opponents clear of what would be deemed a nothing fight against a self-confessed 'has been'. I thought logic would prevent such a stupid question being asked, but then you came along, and proved that logic isn't a requisite for a functioning (to a degree) human brain. Why can't you view boxing with objectivity? Why can't you determine when a fighter is well past it like the rest of us? Fighters can't grasp that truth because fighting is their life, and conceding that they can't compete at the elite level would destroy their ego. Just look at all of the greats who have come back to the ring, somehow convincing themselves they have something left to give. Evander Holyfield. Muhammad Ali. Joe Louis. Ray Robinson. Ray Leonard. A few of hundreds of examples.