I think Pac gets KO'ed in his next few fights

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  1. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that Pac although he has improved his boxing ability somewhat seems more and more vulnerable in every fight. Specially now that he is considering moving up in weight. JMM landed some great shots but failed to step on the gas at times. No one has really pushed Manny back like Morales did in their first fight. Even barrera in his lackluster performance was landing against Manny. This is not a Pac hate thread. It's just a feeling based on some observations.

    I think that should there be a marquez vs Pac 3 and its not to far off in the future Marquez probably stops him if he becomes more aggressive w/o being reckless.

    Your thoughts?

    P.S. Pac huggers don't catch a titi attack over this thread
     
  2. puga_ni_nana

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    possible. he is now fighting way above his starting weight and is past his prime now at almost age 30 (fighting since age 15 or 16 as a pro). but i don't think marquez will do it. he is far too cautious to do the job. maybe it has something to do with him being knockdowned everytime he fights pac. imo, someone like campbell, casa or a hatton will do it. maybe diaz if he could take pac's punches, who knows?
     
  3. Tuavale

    Tuavale Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think PAC may be on slight decline. He is notorious for gaining weight and partying like a rock star. His peak, in every way, was the 3rd Morales fight. He has been somewhat uneven since then. Still, I don't see a KO loss in the near future for him. Even if he's slipped a bit he's such a talent that he still may be the top 130 pounder in the world. Although, he is apparently moving to 135. :smoke:smoke
     
  4. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I fear you're right - though from a Pac fan persepctive there is the idea than JMM is just his Kryptonite and he will resume his dominance in subsequent fights (against anyone other the sports best counter-puncher :lol: )
     
  5. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    If Marquez becomes aggressive he will get dropped again and again and again.

    Maybe David Diaz will TKO Pacman next, i wont be surprised since the transition to lightweight is a really understated one, but Marquez wont cant ever TKO Pacman.
     
  6. puga_ni_nana

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    JMM as pac's kryptonite is just simply saying that marquez has the style to beat pac and nothing more. it has nothing to do if pac is actually on the slide or not.
     
  7. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Maybe? :D

    Since the guy is contemplating on fighting Hatton . . . it is very possible.

    But JMM ??? Even if they come up to Pac/JMM 10 . . . JMM cannot knock down Pac. :yep The best that JMM could come up is beat him via unanimous decission.
     
  8. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was my point bro
     
  9. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    :oops:
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont agree that JMM did'nt step on the gas. Without going Mayorga type crazy, JMM fought aggressively vs Pacquiao.
    A fighter does'nt have to be come foward to fight aggressive.

    If you relook at the fight, watch JMM eyes and his position with his feet.....he was always in position to punch at Manny Pac, even while JMM was taking a step back.

    When you fight 3 minutes of every round, thats being aggressive whether you're coming foward or not.

    ....so I disagree with you, Pac has had the weight advantage against JMM, and that may have helped him absorb the shots, but make not mistake, Pac's got a good beard.....

    ....but also, I agree with you, if Pac fights the likes of Campbell, Hatton, and DLH as has been talked about by Pac and his team....
    ....then yes, Hatton and DLH in particular has Pac involved in cashout mismathes, where Pac has no business competing againt much bigger quality fighters.
     
  11. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually i see Pac is being the best he has been lately.
    Very good movement.
    Defense has tightened up.
    Has a good right hand now.

    I think right now he is at his best.
    Which makes you wonder how good is JMM who obviously does not have Pac's speed and power?

    Pac is not on the slide, he has soundly beaten his opponents lately although not the toughest opponents out there. JMM is the only tough one out there for him and Guzman. I also wouldnt mind seeing Soto fight him. These are actually realistic fights that he has a 50-50 chance of winning.
     
  12. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In regards to my comment about JMM not stepping on the gas...There were a lot of times that JMM would counter and had Manny backing up just blocking up and then would lay off and retreat. For whatever improvements Pac has made, fighting on his back foot is not one of them. JMM did not press the issue even when Nacho was yelling in the corner to press Pac when he is backing up. Nacho said it quite a few times.
     
  13. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Look at the leaping left hook that JMM landed at the end of 2nd round. It woblled Pac but then the round ended. A punch that you dont see coming can KO you cause you are not expecting it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn9EYYMHtdM
     
  14. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Yup I acknowledge that punch . . . but you see . . . it's 80 to 20 % that JMM can hit Pacquaio again with that punch than Pacquaio hitting JMM with his left.

    Take note friend . . . JMM is 4 KD's against Pac in 24 rounds :D . . . and guess what . . . that's the same left. :yep
     
  15. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    sometimes all it takes is one well placed, well timed punch my friend so that 20% can be a dangerous 20%:hey