I think Paul Williams can beat Kelly Pavlik

booradley · Dec 6, 2009

SnakeFist7 said: ↑

two different styles. Paul would not be surprised hit by Pavlik. Pavlik is slow as hell compared to Martinez and not as dynamic. His punches are the type that you can dodge easier.
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Make me a list of all the middleweights who dodged Pavlik's punches effectively for 12 rounds.

Vysotsky · Dec 6, 2009

K-Man said: ↑

I'm definetly no "fan" of him, but that does not seem to be correct. Pavlik COUNTERED Mirandas attacks WHILE moving out of them, and had a PERFECT timing for that. Up to now, he just struggled with one guy who gave him extreme amounts of upper body movement and would constantly change the distance. Which is what Hopkins did, and does NOT describe Williams. See the video I posted.

Different from his previous fights, Williams will also not be able to throw his punches from a good deal out of punching distance of his opponent, stopping that one before he is in reach for his own offense. That will not happen with Pavlik who has a similar reach and height. They will be in each others punching range when firing, and as of yet, I saw Pavlik doing better in that than Williams who got hit flush time and again when he allowed that in his first Quintana fight. After that, he used his reach advantage a lot more, peppering from the distance, and especially keeping firing to not allow the opponent to come in range in between. Pavlik will not need to, he is in range when Williams is for his own offense. The guy with the better timing wins, and Williams seemed not be able to see Quintanas punches coming, dodging them, instead of just avoiding them with distance. Pavlik did a good job in doing that with Miranda, while he failed terribly when someone would spoil the timing thing with off-rythm fighting like Hopkins. Hopkins would dodge, dodge again, go left, dodge, and THEN fire a surprise hand when Pavlik overcomits or "sticks to his rythm". Williams didn't show me he can do that as of yet.

Of course, he could be capable of adjust-ing to the task. He just didn't do it yet. (P.S.: J-u-s-t-i-n is a forbidden word ???)
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Great post man.

erogers said: ↑

It'll be just like Pavlik vs B-Hop, regardless if Pavlik "doubles the ****ing jab" or not...lol...
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lol right, cuz PW is a b-hop clone.

fitzgeraldz said: ↑

whoever said that Pavlik avoided Miranda's punches didn't really see that fight. That fight was so actioned packed that it was a candidate for fight of the year. Pavlik ate so many clean shots but had a good game plan and forced Miranda back and made his power ineffective. He also proved that Miranda had zero boxing skills, because if he did he would've put up a better fight.
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He definitly got hit with alot of hard shots but really re-watch that. I think one of the most underrated aspects of Pavliks game is his subtle head movement, slipping shots, and his ability to catch/block punches with his gloves.

This will be huge in a PW fight. PW has pretty bad accuracy and little defense especially if you compare between the 2 of them.

fitzgeraldz said: ↑

I think that Williams can stop Pavlik mid to late rounds.
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because PW hits harder than Miranda, Zuniga, Taylor & b-hop? You're incorrect.

fitzgeraldz said: ↑

Those guys may have hit Kels hard - one punch at a time, but Paul Williams style is going to put Pavlik on the defensive alot more than Miranda or Taylor.
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Cuz Pavlik is known for shying away from a fight?

He thrives on that, can take shots from legit 160 & 168 punchers, has a similar workrate to PW, better accuracy & better defense than PW, harder puncher and is naturally the much bigger man.

Ring Master · Nov 30, 2010

Ring Master said: ↑

I've seen nothing to make me believe P-dub can handle a middleweight punch.
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Still nothing, Damn Boo, Doubizane, Piped Wrench, Hermit..we use to go in!

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