I think Thurman would be a more difficult fight for Crawford than Spence.

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just got done rewatching Thurman vs Garcia and Spence vs Brook. After really analyzing both their skills, I think both would beat Crawford but I think Crawford would have a harder time with Keith. Here's why.

    Keith is actually the more skilled fighter than Spence. Spence may have a more consistent jab and ability to cut off the ring but Thurman has the better defense, combinations, movement, athleticism, hand speed, footwork, and ring generalship/boxing IQ. It could also be argued that Thurman hits harder than Spence since both Porter and Bundu have fought/sparred both. Both confirmed that Thurman hits harder. Although Spence and Crawford would be more of a war, I think Thurman and Crawford would be a chess match with a mix of fireworks. I see Crawford vs Thurman being like Casamayor vs Corrales 2. One has more tools than the other but size, speed, and power wins the day. What do you guys think?
     
  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I came to the same conclusion a while ago. Nobody on this forum respects Thurman though. However Im of the opinion that Crawford should be the favorite against both.
     
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  3. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have to see him against a Porter, Brook, or Danny to really draw a conclusion.
     
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    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have no strong opinion, but I suspect that Spence has better "1-punch" power than Thurman. Yes, I read the opening post, but I don't believe it. Therefore, against the fast-moving Crawford, I would give Spence better odds.

    Anyway, we need to see more of Bud at 147 before really having a strong idea.
     
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    thurman is just as crafty as bud I agree, I would prefer this fight. bud would walk spence into all kinds of punches since he is basically a come forward fighter.
     
  6. Infern0121

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    Personally I think Spence will go on to be the best of the bunch. Kell Brook had a very dissapointing career but he was a skilled, fast, strong and heavy hitting welter. The way spence took him apart in his hometown is by far the best win any of them has.

    Put it this way even now id confidently pick brook to ktfo horn inside 6.
     
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    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yes but spence is an intelligent offensive fighter not a devoid of skill zombie like horn.
     
  8. BoxingIQ

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    Both guys said that Thurman hit them harder than Spence. I think it is fair to conclude that Thurman hits harder (maybe not by a huge margin) It's like Wilder and AJ. Wilder hits harder than AJ but there isn't a significant disparity. Also, Crawford is not faster than Thurman when it comes to movement or hand speed. Crawford has slightly more tools I will agree.
     
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    Brook's career is not over. I honestly think he would beat Jermelle. Also, let's not forget that Brook was weight drained. I actually think Brook stops Horn in the 4th.
     
  10. BoxingIQ

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    I'm confident Spence would win. I think Crawford should probably fight Porter before he steps in the ring with Spence.
     
  11. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lol! Took him apart? Many people had Brook leading that fight until the clash of heads that damaged Brooks eye that changed the complexion of the fight. Until that clash the fight was favoring Brook imho. Close but Brook was ahead.
     
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  12. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see Crawford as having the highest ring IQ if the three. With Spence having a tendency to have to set his feet to get his shots off I think Crawford can exploit this. Thurman on the otherhand manages to pull everyone into a firefight no matter who he is facing. Bud doesn't back down when hes challenged. Unfortunately for Crawford, Thurman hits a lot harder than Gamboa and can also take a bigger shot.

    Basically Crawford can outbox both but Thurman has a better shot at pulling Crawford from his gameplan and making him trade punches when he shouldn't be.
     
  13. shadow111

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    Thurman has a definite footspeed advantage. Handspeed is pretty close but Thurman's hands are slightly quicker and with how fast he moves on his feet it allows him to get better timing with his hand speed. Also Thurman is better at slipping punches than Crawford. Really a lot of people would pick Crawford here but I think Thurman could outbox him. It'd be a great fight for sure. That said, I have no idea what kind of shape Thurman is in or when he will be fighting again.
     
  14. Cableaddict

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    I can't account for Bundu, but Porter has a good reason to lie, since only Thurman beat him. And Spence knocked Bundu into Tuesday, while Thurman couldn't put him away, so WTF is he talking about?

    Anyway, they both hit damned hard, that's obvious.

    Maybe it would come down more to styles. Thurman & Spence are VERY different in their offense, but again I have no strong opinion of which style gives Crawford more trouble, because we haven't seen enough of Crawford at the weight. Thurman has better defense than Spence, but if Bud's power is only average for 147 (which I suspect is the case) then that won't be a factor.

    I think Thurman might be better at adapting to a crafty opponent, but Spence has a way of just coming right at you and taking care of business. Great body attack, also, and I think that's where Crawford might be most susceptible, if an opponent can actually get inside. Spence also has a reach advantage.
     
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  15. BoxingIQ

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    I do find this interesting. When Horn was on the inside, he did not throw any punches to the body. I feel if a guy like Spence or Porter was to get Crawford against the rope or on the inside they will let their hands go. The problem I see is that Crawford has not fought a fighter, since the Gamboa fight, that will trade with him. He might get caught in some muddy waters when he runs into a guy who can cut off the ring and is not scared to let their hands go.