I think Usyk deletes the Juicy ones legacy and I neeeed to see the fight!!!

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  1. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Usyk is all wrong for the Juicy one.

    I honestly see Juicy having nightmares in the ring and that adorable yet sinister Usyk grin.

    I actually think I had dream.

    I had a dream that steady Eddie retires with him.

    Pop corn ready my friends
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    AJ doesn`t need to juice he`s a very good fighter but I thin you called it on this one, Usyk is simply better than AJ.
     
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  3. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Usyk is extremely skilled... But a 4" reach advantage is huge, as is the gulf in power.

    I prefer skilled boxers to win, but I just can't see Usyk winning this one.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Usyk has a better jab and better movement than AJ so will score more counters than Ruiz did and he hurt Chisora so can hurt AJ too, it will be a good anyway.
     
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  5. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    For sure it'll be good, but he'll have to be damned careful with that disadvantage in reach, especially with how much power is waiting for him if he does get caught.

    It's worth remembering also that Usyk had 4" extra reach on Delboy... He gives up 4" against AJ.
    (Having said that, Ruiz gave up 8" - didn't help AJ much in the first, but in the second where he chose not to give away that advantage?)

    I think he'll start out looking the better, but he'll get caught and dropped.

    We'll see, it's definitely an interesting fight, but not as much so as AJ-Fury would've been... Such is life, eh?
     
  6. IHaveAscreenName804

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    AJ didn't beat Andy Ruiz in the rematch because of he used his "reach" better. Anthony Joshua won the rematch because Andy Ruiz gained tons of more weight and let that first fight go to his head.

    Mike Tyson had a shorter reach than anybody he fought. I never heard anybody saying that was a disadvantage.
     
  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Bit of both... Ruiz came into the rematch in awful shape, but AJ fought a completely different fight and kept him at range - even if Ruiz had come in fit, he'd most likely still have lost IMHO.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ideally we could have seen Fury v AJ and have Usyk fight the winner,oh well.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ruiz was no Tyson and his feet are far slower.
     
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  10. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It depends on styles too... Fighters that like to get in close don't need it, fighters who want to hit and avoid being hit will find a reach advantage to be a significant help.

    If Usyk is planning on outpointing Joshua, then it'll be a factor.
     
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  11. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    AJ is a bully and when he is underpressure he appears collapes similar to Wlad.

    He has only been underpressure approx 3x in his career and has lost 1 time.

    vs Whyte he was hurt but I think Whyte was having shoulder problems and already had been hurt badly.
    Wlad had also already been hurt badly and is just like AJ and allowed him to recover.
    Ruiz had also already been hurt quite badly but wasn't in Whytes state and took advantage.

    If you can intimidate him/hurt him his stamina seems to just evaporate.

    Usyk is in his absolute prime and is already an ATG in my book just with is cruiserweight legacy alone.

    AJ has not looked the same since Ruiz 1, his aura is not the same anymore.
    A totally washed Pulev had his moments with him
     
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  12. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Usyk in his prime? Jeez, the size of that bull must break the poor cows backs...

    He's undeniably an ATG at cruiser, and like any skill over power fighter is a joy to watch in his groove, but he's definitely past his prime.

    He was just starting to slow a fraction before he stepped up from cruiser IMHO and hasn't been nearly as impressive at HW to date - and that's before we see how the latest bulking up affects him in the ring.

    AJ looks more calculating from Ruiz II onwards - less impulsive, more controlled - sometimes that's a good thing and something it's not. Against Usyk, I'd guess it's more likely to be a positive than not, but we'll see.

    This ain't a foregone conclusion, but I'd definitely give Joshua the edge.
     
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  13. Philly161

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    Usyk is a better technician but it's a matter of a few degrees not levels. I feel like people have just decided AJ is a bad boxer when hes actually probably in the top 3 in fundamentals in the division. Esp when you consider that fury is so unorthodox and most of the division relies on power. AJ is a solid all around fighter one loss doesn't change that. I favor the good big guy over the good (slightly better p4p) little guy
     
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  14. kiwi_boxer

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    Although both of the statements are correct, you need to break it down for what it really is.

    Joshua gives away his size, we saw it with Ruiz, Parker and at times with Pulev. Usyk is a significantly better mover than all 3 of those mentioned and has the ability to punch into range.

    You mention the gulf in power, but really, how do we see that playing out? The gulf in power is also relative to the gulf in punch resistance. Usyk has a fantastic chin, Joshua really doesn't. What Usyk may lack in power at HW he more than makes up for with his ability to box on the back or front foot and a durable chin to back it.

    Don't take this as a Usyk fan boy response, as it's really not - However, I do think stylistically Usyk is all wrong for Joshua, Fury and Wilder.
    If it's worth anything, I also think the AJ/Fury fight is 50/50. People love to write AJ off simply because of his status outside of the ring.
     
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  15. anjawnaymiz

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    It’s an interesting fight.

    AJ who is a power puncher that likes to set traps vs usyk who counters in swarms.

    it’s a tough fight to call for me mainly due to usyk looking a bit average at heavyweight, because of that I’m going with AJ but saying that I don’t see AJ beating usyk on punch output so he needs to stop usyk hmmm

    help , lol
     
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