I think we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves with Joshua beating Klitsckho

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    problem is wlad will prove hard to hit for joshua, i think he will try and go in and steamroll wlad early, problem with that is he will leave himself open.

    wlad is imo still the hardest hitting heavyweight around, question marks are still around about joshuas chin.

    this fight will be explosive and a great watch but i see wlad poleaxing him with that sneaky short left hook of he's that you don't see coming, joshua leaves he's left hand low and almost got knocked by dillian whyte because of it, look and wlad vs pulev to see what happens when you don't keep the right hand up against wlad
     
  3. Robney

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    I'd slightly favor Wlad if the fight actually happens.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's a bit of a leap of faith true as Joshua hasn't fought anyone as good as Wlad, or even this old faded version of Wlad. But that was the case with Fury and Wlad and we all saw how that played out.

    Now Joshua clearly can't fight like Fury did, he doesn't have the movement or size advantage Fury had over Wlad. But Wlad is 40, he looked bad against Jennings as well who on my card won 5 rounds. He's also been out of the ring for almost a year.

    Wlad is at his best when he can jab and grab. If he can fight his kind of fight then he wins but will he be able to jab and grab Joshua. He has to beat him to the punch, which in his prime when he was quicker and had a better jab he could do, not so sure now. Even if he can do that can he manhandle Joshua like he has against smaller, weaker men. If he can't what does he do?

    I think Wlad will clinch a lot in this fight, he doesn't have the size or movement to keep a big man like Joshua at range, so he'll be forced to hold. How Joshua deals with this will decide the fight. If he allows Wlad to clinch him and control the pace of the fight he'll lose, if he can break the clinch or get off first before Wlad clinches then he wins.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This might be slightly rambly, its 4 in the morning, but, whatever....

    Granted I'm not the biggest AJ fan but I'm going to try to be fair here. This is an abortion of an idea from Hearn, which I frankly can't wait for, hopefully he doesn't come to his senses and pull AJ out of negotiations.

    Skillwise Breazeale, Martin and Whyte are garbage, and he looked fairly rudimentary against them, he's flat footed, he's slower than most of you seem to realize, his pattern of attack is fairly predictable, he does nothing particularly well, his power is vastly overrated, its far from the frightening one punch KO you cold Tyson variety, he has thudding power that stuns guys, and when they're hurt he jumps on them and flurries, usually prompting a stoppage, well that style went flying out of the window when he got too aggressive against Whyte and almost got KO'd, now he has to rely on skills, which leave a lot to be desired.

    He throws winging looping shots, when he lets his hands go and tries to land in combination he leaves himself wide open to a counter, his jab isn't particularly great, his handspeed isn't extraordinary, and his chin still has a massive question mark hanging over it, add to that he leaves that chin up and exposed way too much. His defense is far from impeccable, Whyte landed on him plenty in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds of their fight, and had he not gassed and had a shoulder injury, who knows how that match would have ultimately turned out. And Dillian looking absolutely awful against Allen and Lewison really puts AJs best win into its proper perspective.

    He can't bomb Wlad out early, because Wlad is a counter puncher, and you do not run headlong into a straight right or left hook from Wlad without risking getting KTFO, or at the very least put on your ass, he cannot outbox Wlad, whose seen it all, AJ brings nothing new to the table here, Haye, Pulev, Povetkin, Jennings and clearly Fury are all superior technicians to AJ and the only one he had real issues with was obviously Fury. Who I'd easily pick to outbox AJ, possibly even stop him late. AJ won't be able to land on Wlad clean enough to badly hurt him, his defense is impeccable, and in all likelihood someone unwilling to risk getting countered by Breazeale and Whyte, ain't gonna be taking any risks against one of the P4P hardest punchers in the history of the HW division. Sure Wlad struggled with Fury, who like Wlad is a counter puncher and a stylistic nightmare for him, he didn't look great against the spoilerific Jennings, who wasn't really looking to win was he? He was looking to survive. Wlad is not a natural risk taker, so if you fight cautiously, he won't go out of his way to KO you, unlike Luis Ortiz, and even then he caught and hurt Jennings late, so you all would be wise to not base anything on those two performances. Has Wlad lost a step, yes... but has he lost it so much that he can't take a wet behind the ears prospect with nothing he hasn't seen before, No.

    This ends one of two ways, an overeager AJ getting KO'd early, or Wlad grabbing, holding, smothering and countering AJ until he gasses out and gets KTFO late.
     
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  6. twopiece

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    I suspect that there were "other" factors playing into the reason why (some think) Wladimir looked ordinary in his last two fights. To me, he's still the same guy who all but destroyed Pulev's career in a short affair. I strongly believe that Wladimir is a man rejuvenated. He's always been well-conditioned and dedicated both in and out of the ring, even between fights. The loss to Fury has driven him and his next fight is going to show it.

    Current Joshua is missing a few things that Fury had going for him at this point, relatively speaking in terms of their careers. The style match-up against Joshua is much more favorable for Wladimir here. Like Brighton said, if Joshua has no answer for the holding, he'll definitely lose. And like Catchwtboxing has alluded to, there's not much evidence available to suggest that AJ is even ready for this right now.

    AJ is "daring to be great" by going after the (at worst) 2nd best fighter in the division (in Wladimir) at a still "green" stage in his career. 17 fights, 17 wins, none gone the distance... but against no one even close to top level yet. Credit to him for putting it all on the line in a sudden -but huge- step up in class. Credit also has to go to Wladimir as well for immediately pursuing his belts back, starting with the one that was literally given to AJ.

    For Anthony Joshua, fighting Wladimir now... and winning... would be a way to prove that he legitimately deserves that IBF strap. Can he win? We'll see... if the fight happens. It's just too bad that Fury isn't going to be around to unify with the victor. The HW division would be much, much closer to being sorted out at that point, with Parker and Ortiz knocking on the door for title shots. The only loose end left would be Wilder.
     
  7. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brezeale and Martin are garbage? Sorry didn't you pick them to destroy AJ?

    And once again you see absolutely no way for AJ to win but will no doubt still claim he is rubbish if he does happen to win. So predictable.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No I didn't pick Breazeale to win, I did on here, but not in Kirk's league where it counts.:lol: You can try that garbage with other posters on here, but guess what, I have no shame, so you can't shake me with it.:deal:

    So what are you suggesting, Breazeale, Martin and Whyte somehow, someway adequately prepared AJ to beat the most dominant HW of the modern era?:copas:
     
  9. Bad News Brit

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    The best thing about these kind of fights is the excuses that come out post fight from people making one sided drubbing predictions either way. There is so many unanswered questions about both fighters at this stage of their career nobody can really predict what will happen with any degree of certainty as much as the people above would like to think they know.

    One thing is for sure, if they are wrong, their excuse will not be 'I was wrong'
     
  10. Bad News Brit

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    Probably better preparation than Chisora, Abell and Hammer. Worked out alright for Tyson Fury though
     
  11. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I favor Wlad but it wouldn't be surprising if AJ knocked him out. I would give AJ 35% chance to win this. Not the favorite in this fight, but a solid chance.
     
  12. Bad News Brit

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    Although I think Eddie Hearn needs to start matching his fighters with bums and protect their 0's in fights nobody wants to see like Al Haymon does.

    **** Klitschko-AJ, GGG-Brook, Crolla-Linares, bring on Broner-Theophane, Wilder-Arreola, Garcia-Salka :gaysex::headbang::hello::icon_popcorn::jump:
     
  13. CST80

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    Since I'd give Chisora and Cunningham as well, a very good shot at beating all three of AJ's finest, no not really.
     
  14. T.C.W

    T.C.W Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aj destroys him inside 4 rounds
     
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  15. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Joshua KOs any version of Wlad. Just all wrong for Wlad in every way possible.

    This version of Wlad vs Joshua is a complete mismatch. No way Wlad takes this fight, absolutely no way.
     
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