i thought floyd doesnt want to fight @catchweight?

If you're going to watch the fight, then why exactly are you complaining so much? No matter who Mayweather fights, if he wins, there's always some sort of excuse anyway. If the CW plays a material part in the outcome of the fight, then that's Canelo's fault for agreeing to it. No one put a gun to his head.

 

Canelo actually did call Mayweather out and offered to fight at him at 150 lbs. And no one is justifying anything. To me, the 2 lbs. isn't a big deal. I really doesn't matter why they are doing a CW as I don't believe those 2 lbs. will have much effect on the fight. It's clearly not much of an issue with you either as you will be watching. If it makes you feel good to on a tirade about it though, continue on.

 

My friend, I'm not complaining! I'm just correcting people who are saying the catch weight was Canelo's idea. You can tell he is lying by his body language and stuttering when asked about the catch weight. He couldn't even answer the question!! FMJ is trying to make it seem like the catch weight was Canelo's idea, so he doesn't look bad. But it's too late, because he was the one who requested the catch weight in the first place! To make matters worse, he made statements about how catch weights are meaningless in the buildup to the Cotto fight. The problem is that people are riding FMJ's nuts so hard they won't admit it was Floyd who needed the catch weight. Floyd himself won't admit the truth, because he's got too much pride to admit that he is a hyprocrit. he's rather lie to the fans then admit he needed the catch weight.

 

Ok, let's for the sake of argument say all of this is true. What do you want to be done? What does it change? We have a big fight coming up that we all want to see. What does it matter if Mayweather is a liar and/or a hypocrite? The guy is a convicted felon. It's not like people watch him fight for his high character anyway.

 

Where and when did Canelo offer to fight Mayweather at a 150 lb catch weight? Was it part of the negotiations? Canelo didn't agree to a 150 lb catch weight.

 

After the Cintron fight Canelo said he would fight Mayweather at 150. Now that was 1 1/2 years ago, but at the same time, Mayweather's comments about not fighting guys at a CW was over a year ago. Obviously they both changed their minds.

 

Lets figure out what really happened, no spin. I just want to figure out what really happened, okay? I'm trying to understand this just like you are. When exactly did Canelo say this and what were his exact words? Do you have a quote? Was it in the post fight interview of the Cintron fight?

 

Here you go;

"It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds,..De la Hoya said he was going to pursue the Mayweather fight [for me]. We are ready for it. It's what people want, for me to fight someone like [Mayweather]."

He said this after the Cintron fight.

 

*****s: Cotto was drainned vs Pac. Those 2lbs affected Cotto.

*****s: Pac should of fought Cotto at the full WW just like he did vs ODLH.

*****s: Floyd never fights at catchweights.

Reality now: Floyd CATCHweather is draining Canelo 2 lbs, Floyd fought at the full JrMW limit last year and holds a belt there, Floyd is fighting at a CW again!

*****s now: Canelo won't be affected by those 2 lbs.

:deal

 

So you would be ok with Floyd saying that Canelo comes in at 170+ which is why he wanted the catchweight?

 

Hrmm, if in 2011, when asked about a Mayweather fight, he said he is willing to go down to 150, I would hardly call that an offer. It's certainly nothing like what Dawson did. It sounds like he said this in an interview a few days after the Cintron fight, when asked about a potential Mayweather fight. He might have been asked "would you be willing to go down in weight to get a Mayweather fight if you had to?" and he basically said he would if that was the only way to get the Mayweather fight.

There's a bit of he said, she said going on here. Interestingly, Schaefer said to Sportsillustrated on May 7th, 2013 that Canelo "cannot go lower then 154". But what is clear is that, when negotiations started for Mayweather - Canelo, it was Mayweather who requested the catch weight. He wanted the fight at 147, then 150, then 152 to get the catch weight. And really when you look at the timeline, 6 months after Canelo Cintron, Floyd made this statement:

So, by Mayweather saying that, he's really giving himself no wiggle room to demand a catchweight in the future. Canelo has no incentive to implement a purse penalty if he doesn't make 152. That penalty is something that would benefit only Mayweather, and only negatively affect Canelo. Certainly that is not what Mayweather was referring to when asked about the catchweight and said that Canelo's team offered up the catch weight as part of the negotiations. I think we can agree that that's clearly not what happened and Mayweather isn't being truthful.

Thank you for that quote though Stylez G. and for such a productive discussion. Finally I think we are getting somewhere. Still I don't know how Mayweather and DLH can act like the catch weight was Canelo's idea. If Canelo was put on the spot asked if he would consider going down to 150, and he said he would to get the Mayweather fight, in 2011, that doesn't justify the farce that Mayweather is putting out that Canelo's team came to him with the catchweight offer. It was clear that Mayweather came to them talking about a fight at 147 first, then 150, then 152.

 

Canelo can come in at 170 with 8 oz gloves and he still won't win. I have a feeling that Canelo will disregard the catchweight and come in at 154. He should, I would.

 

As long as Canelo and his people agreed to the catchweight, what's the problem? Floyd's past comments about catchweights? Canelo agreed. Money talks, bull**** walks!

 

Youre still crying?

 

The fans just want the truth man. I'd rather him say that then say that Canelo came to them with the catch weight offer, when in reality he wanted the catch weight.

Mayweather said in 2012 "Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses". Obviously Canelo is most comfortable at 154. That's the actual weight class where he is champion at. To demand a catchweight he's giving the fans excuses, after saying in 2012 that there should be no excuses. The fact that both guys hold belts at 154 make this a moot point if you ask me. He even made a big deal about how Cotto wasn't hydrated for Pacquiao and suggested that's the reason why he lost. The reason why FMJ won't say "Canelo comes in at 170+" as the reason he wants the catchweight is because he specifically wanted Cotto fully hydrated so he would be at his best and there would be no excuses.