I thought Pac killed him! Now Floyd has to beat Marquez up to show the world that...

dangerousity · May 3, 2009

Pac was fighting the bigger man. Floyd is fighting a guy going up almost 2 weight divisions, I know Pac made it look ordinary lately but thats huge! I'll give Floyd credit but he will still be no.2 to Pac and he would need to beat Pac or a top WW to catch up.

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

remy said: ↑

He did not decide OK? He couldn't make the lower weights any more. He got KOed because he completely drained himself. The names you just mentioned all got KOed by the Mexican fighters Pacman beat. They weren't much of anything.
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These are only a few names I listed. Are you saying that there were no worthy black challengers between 1999-2004 who were more worthy than Battery, Lucero, Rakkiatgym Yeshmagmetov, Sakmuangklan, Senrima, Chae, Barotillo? Between 1999 and 2004, Pac could've fought any of the fighters I named. He jumped from 112 to 122 in like 3 months. He could've fought Guzman, the real lightweight champ in Campbell. Will he fight Bradley at 140?

Bad_Intentions · May 3, 2009

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twenty6dollar · May 3, 2009

Tldr bit ch

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

remy said: ↑

Joan Guzman? You're not serious, does any one really believe this guy can hold a candle to Pacman. He was a nobody when Pac ruled the division. And he's still a nobody today.
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I can't believe you had the balls to say this alt lol. You must be out of your mind lol. We aren't talking about the time lines of when those Mexican fighters beat those black fighters...we are talking about before and after those blck fighters made their defenses against those Mexican fighters. Jones ko'd Barrera, and he was considered done. We aren't talking about when these guys were close to done.

Pac went after the name fighters which was the right thing to do at that time. Even if some of the Mexican fighters beat those black fighters doesn't mean PAc beats them. Marquez beating Austin was a good win. Austin was still a top fighter, and he could've faced Pac before and after the loss to Marqiez. Barrera beat McKinney, Jones ko'd Barrera, Morales beats a used up Jones, Barrera beats an old Kelley, we ain't talking about those versions of those fighters lol...

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

remy said: ↑

I guess you are not one who's able to think further along the analogy. Junior Jones would have still been fighting during Pac's reign had Morales not sent him into retirement mode with the KO.
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You're insulting my intelligence lol. You don't even understand what I'm talking about, nor are you even checking the time line of when PAc could've fought these guys alt... lol.

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

Club Fighter said: ↑

With all due respect those guys are NOT in his class.
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Back then they were.

Club Fighter · May 3, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

These are only a few names I listed. Are you saying that there were no worthy black challengers between 1999-2004 who were more worthy than Battery, Lucero, Rakkiatgym Yeshmagmetov, Sakmuangklan, Senrima, Chae, Barotillo? Between 1999 and 2004, Pac could've fought any of the fighters I named. He jumped from 112 to 122 in like 3 months. He could've fought Guzman, the real lightweight champ in Campbell. Will he fight Bradley at 140?
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C'mon, B, Bradley doesn't really want that fight. He's still trying to make a living.

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

remy said: ↑

It's not Pacman's fault these black fighters couldn't even get past the Mexicans.
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Who are you talking about lol, Norwood, Jones or Raheem lol...!!!???

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

Club Fighter said: ↑

C'mon, B, Bradley doesn't really want that fight. He's still trying to make a living.
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How in the hell would you know that Bradley doesn't want the fight lol... Wtf are you even talking about lol...:nut

eliqueiros · May 3, 2009

MrSmall said: ↑

I read it.

You an ex-pro and champion?
who?
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Roger Mayweather

NALLEGE · May 3, 2009

dangerousity said: ↑

Pac was fighting the bigger man. Floyd is fighting a guy going up almost 2 weight divisions, I know Pac made it look ordinary lately but thats huge! I'll give Floyd credit but he will still be no.2 to Pac and he would need to beat Pac or a top WW to catch up.
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Floyd is going to fight the man who gave Pac a lot of trouble. Size matters when it comes to fighting Floyd, not Pac. I call it double talk.

Silvermags · May 3, 2009

both are great fighters. i think pac can beat pbf. i'd like to hear comments from roach what he will say if pac vs pbf hattons..

he knows his student (pac) so well. how many of us would agree with what roach said when he said pac finishes hatton in 3 rounds?!

doomeddisciple · May 3, 2009

I don't view anything with a colour basis.

My mates and I usually comment on the physicality of the fighters.

I had a loungroom of Aussies with bets 2 for and 2 against.

When Hatton was warming up, I had shown them the photos of the Tszyu wieghin and the Pac one and noted how it was the difference between He-Man and Skeletor for them.

Then I said he'd rehydrate and be bigger and they were all focussed on the size issue more than a stylistic one.

All of the people at my place have boxed before and we've all awatched fights together since Fenech Nelson II so there was nothing short of just exicted shock in the room as a result of the fight. Mostly myself and my mate who had picked Pac to win and had a dinner and 100 bucks riding on the fight and the other two in camp Hatton groaning, yet still appreciative of the result.

Colour/race doesn't come into it for me - It's if you're a good person or a **** one.

HyperBone · May 3, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

he is the best fighter in the world still. I thought I heard Hatton's jaw crack after Pac landed the straight left. Hatton was unconscious when he got hit, and woke up after he hit the canvas. I screamed to my friends...lol, "He killed him lol". Hatton, if you want to be honest just hasn't seemed right since the Floyd loss. Lazcano had him hurt badly to the head and body. This doesn't take away from what Pac did for this reason. Hatton has still only lost one fight to Floyd, and he brought in a proven defensive trainer in Floyd Sr. I was so impressed with Pac because he came out so fast and so aggressive which was kind of unexpected to many...but not to me. I said Pac had to punch with power, and he did. The man has carried his power to what ever weight class he fights in. Pac landed hard right hooks from the door, hard body shots, and put him to sleep with the big left that Hatton never saw. Hatton's jaw hit his shoulder, nd it looked like how Hearns felt when he hit Duran. It looked as if Pac felt it throw his body. Pac is in full bloom of his skills. I was very impressed.

This is the Pac I love to watch. Pac is in his absolute prime now, and he looked superb in destroying Hatton. People will talk about Pac and Floyd's common opponents and how Pac beat them better than Floyd did...if that means much considering both won their fights with Dlh and Hatton...but WAIT ONE MINUTE LOL. Floyd has a date with Marquez, and if you saw and heard what Floyd said Saturday Pac fans lol...you better slow down clown! Floyd's fans are waiting until July 18th to litter the boards with "Floyd will stop Marquez threads" lol. PAc had his moment, and now it is Floyd's turn. Congrats to Pac on a big win in such stunning fashion. No Pac hating from me, just reality. Pac is a fight away from becoming a legend. that fight has to be against Floyd. Pac being too small for Floyd isn't an excuse anymore. Pac has a great chance against Floyd, and this is coming form a guy who favors Floyd over Pac.

Common opponents means nothing in boxing. Styles make fights. Junior Jones beat Barrera, Morales beats Jones, Barrera beats Morales, Pac beats Barrera, Morales beats Pac, Pac beats Morales. I can come up with a 1000 scenarios of this happening. Scream all you want Pac and Floyd fans about who beat who and how who beat who. Scream until your lungs collapse. The fact of the matter is PAc and Floyd have not fought yet. Floyd has to beat J.M.M to get his mega fight with Pac. Arum can't scream fight Pac at 140 Floyd or no fight at all, and Floyd can't scream Pac...fight me at 147 anymore since he is fighting J.M.M at a catch weight. If this fight isn't made, we will all know why.

Floyd looked superb last night at the announcement of his come back. He looked lean and sounded confident.

I hope this doesn't bring down the thoughts of my post, but I sat back and listened to my people's after the fight. There were 11 of us. We are all African American, and between the ages of 30 and 40. Believe what I'm saying or not. After Pac won my boys were shocked, and kept saying stuff like, "how could Hatton let PAc hit him so clean like that...why was Hatton's hands down...who was the last black guy Pac fought, has Pac ever beaten a black guy, and all this stuff about how black fighters this and that and how black fighters beat everyone including Mexicans", and all this junk. I had to school them on history from Sanchez-Nelson all the way back to Saddler-Elorde.

Two of my boys think that Pac gives Floyd hell, and one of my boys whose name is Wab said that Pac is going to put it on Floyd because two years is too long a layoff. We went on for about an hour talking boxing. I had to straighten these guys out because some of them said they saw PAc go down in a fight, and I said, unless you have PAc's early fights, you haven't seen Pac go down in a fight. They imitated PAc's punches, and they couldn't even imitate PAc correctly lol. I had to straighten them all out on Pac.

The point of this story is that PAc has to beat Floyd to prove to everyone, and not just the HBO shirts and Hollywood stars,...he has to beat Floyd to get street credibility. My boys know about Pac. They kept saying how Pac kept pawing his jab, and how PAc jumps in. They don't understand that this is PAc's style because they are so used to seeing how black fighters fight, and they think that PAc is a fighter with flaws. I had to tell them, that all fighters have flaws, even Floyd. They picked on me...(an ex-professional boxer and champion)for a sec and said that I was picking PAc over Floyd. Can you believe that? My friends of course were all filled with Coors Lite, Bacardi Dark and Patron lol. no fights, not at my house. They know that I don't play when it comes to talking out of your ass lol. Just keeping it real with you guys. I would love to hear how guys talk boxing at your cribs with your boys. I'd like to read about how other races talk boxing amongst each other.
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nice read. but its too long lol lol lol lol

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