I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

Are you dilusional? Or just mad? You've pretty much made it obvious you are the "bigtime9" of the Joe C fans. :deal

You're examples, or should I say exagerrations, didn't prove or show anything. I was able to counter anything you've posted, and all you do is dismiss and ask a hypothetical that can't be proven one way or another. Take your head out of your ass and watch some fights. :deal

 

I'm sick of this "American bias" talk from certain posters. As if they aren't biased towards fighters from their region or their ethnicity. Give me a break.

 

I'd love it. He said stick to the comedy, and that'll be comedy.

 

This is the type of stuff that I can barely debate someone against, because it's just so incorrect to what is going on. It's not even about who picks better or who is an analyst, it's just plainly incorrect.

Calzaghe no defence?

And then you miss the fact that Hopkins' timing has faded and can no longer fire off shots like he could in his prime, this is absolute current fact and most Hopkins fans with sense will agree. His workrate is low, his timing has faded, he has to fight a fight that he can control or at a super conservative pace and his defence means little if you can't get out of the storm's path, in which a swarmer is poison for him at the moment.

This is all 90% stylistic and intangible based facts that I have listed above.

Since you like to poke at me and how I go about analysing boxing, I can't really hold that against you considering you truly believe that Margarito is an elite class Welterweight.

 

Exactly...

Simple look at posters "location" tag says it all.

Americans are just as bad, if not better, than the Brits (for Calzaghe and Hatton), Filipinos (for Pac et al), Peuto Ricans (for Cotto), Danes (For Kessler) Mexicans, etc...

And I am most certaintly NOT American....

 

Mrs. Krabappel in this thread I have been Lacy-ed and it tastes like burning.

 

You can post what you think of Hopkins till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, it's still simpy your opinion. One not many agree with.

And no, Calzaghe doesn't have much of a defense. It was that as well as his swarming style that made me a fan of his. Those combination make for exciting fights.

So I was wrong about Margarito vs. Williams. All that proves is Williams was better. But you still think Judah's some elite fighter. Go figure.

 

How about Swiss people currently living in the United States that don't care about nationality?

 

Copy you? atsch

You're a Joe C nuthugger and would likley pick him vs. anyone. Doesn't make you some kind of expert or prove anything. Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Give us your 'expert' pick on other upcoming fights, and lets see how 'right' you are.

 

Still 22 matches is for most too soon, but not all - so who knows. Still prime Taylor won(just not on my cards, but whatever).

Not at all. How am I doing considering I have never watched a boxing match?

Yes, since I have never seen a boxing match, I have to guess here: How did Tarver look in that fight? My imaginary mind said untrained, unfocused - maybe post hollywood fever? Still I cheered for B-Hop. But old guy vs old guy dont make me wanna jump up and cheer like it was prime vs prime. And I feel that people like you are labelling it as that.

Of course he should get credit, this is not my point nor CHJs. But flying him up at top p4p for beating Winky at a weight is isn't comfortable with doesn't make it the same feat as doing it at 160. Same would have gone for Tarver if he had beaten B-Hop. Had Hopkins beaten a fit and sharp Tarver, I would have applauded greatly and said it was a very great win - but he wasn't so there it is.

Since he is featherfisted, Hopkins would only have to worry about winning on points. Bullying like he usually do with smaller fighters. Hopkins is smart, and likewise a master of defensive. So it's very possible to pull it off, and is then considered great reward less risk.

Well you said he was #1 by the time he met Taylor - knowing how Ring rate fighters, its based on past glories. I could go on and on. His wins appear to be greater than they are, because people overlook the details such as weight, age, and how that has affected them.

 

:think

I do think Americans cop a bit much on here, though. What makes them SO MUCH worse than the fans I mentioned above? Or more bias?

IMO, it's fans from other nationalities that wish to make their OWN PERSONAL BIAS sound more knowledgable and correct by downgrading that of the Americans, who at times may possibly disagree with them (yet is possibly more influencial on the masses)

 

True.

Or some come off like unsufferable snobs who claim to be superior in intellect.:roll:

LIke I said, most people pretend to be something they aren't online.

 

It's difficult to debate with you because you either really don't know what you are talking about here, or you are just simply reading selectively.

What I posted was a good bit of facts -

- His timing is not the same as his prime, it's degraded.

- His workrate is too low to compete with young, ferocious guys at SMW-LHW.

- He's getting slower and slower

- He has to fight his fight, see the Taylor fights for comparison on when he's currently pushed beyond his comfort zone

But this is all expected, he's a 42 year old fighter, I would actually expect less but he still performs better than expected, which is why he's still rated so highly on what he can do.

If you say so. Last time I looked though he had a system of excellent footwork, head movement and occassional use of the guard to not get tagged in excess. I've rarely ever seen him eat anything resembling a combination, it's always single shots here and there and he has the timing and footspeed to position himself exceptionally well. His in and out movement also serves well in reducing the opponents offensive abilities vs. him.

Is this not defence? Or is only a standard style of shoulder rolling/high guard a defence to you?

When did I say Judah was still elite? I said he could beat some of the top 10 at WW, this does not make him elite by any means.

It proved Williams was better, but if you will note, I had my say in what Margarito's capabilities were for a very long time.