I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

I'm not looking for national bias, I hate nationalistic bias. Most of the top American posters on here are just that, top quality posters and most likely top quality people. There is a lot of knowledge on ESB.

Lance taking personal offense is ridiculous. In the end, it's just boxing discussion.

 

Thanks...I like the comedy better....:good

 

I take nothing personal here. If I call you an upitty snob, it's because you come off like one. I doubt I'm th only one who sees that. I said in another post, you're a fine poster. Just not when it comes to certain boxers. And you seem to not give any thought to anyone's opinion but yours and CJH's.

I try to point out how flawed using H2H is for a P4P list, and you either ignore what I said or outright dismiss it.

 

Totally incorrect, that's the way you percieve it from what I would presume as selective reading.

Should I name off the amount of posters who's posts I take into consideration? It's going to be lengthy.

 

There are clear problems with the way the current p4p system works. That is the main point being made. If more consideration was given for great performances against top ten opponents within a fighters respective divsion, IMO it would provide a much fairer ranking system. Still, resume and past performances must be taken into accout. A p4p list based solely on percieved ability would be far too open to bias. Regardless, some of you are bagging CHJ quite heavily, but at least he has the initiative to form his own opinion and not just be another sheep. There are so many cliches among boxing fans, and so many "popular" beliefs. Despite the fact that I don't agree with him in this instance, its refreshing to see someone actually using their own analytical ability to look at things, and not just taking the easy road and being agreeable. Surely some of you can see the faults that are present with the current p4p ranking system that he has pointed out?

 

I won't deny that's any of that is true. But he's still defeating top guys, so he can't be that far gone. It's like whith Pernell Whitaker (maybe you've seen him?). He lost a lot of speed, and relfexes as he got older, but was still better then most guys inthe game at his weight class. Hopkins is in a similar mold. You can choose not to engage in a discussion with me, that's fine. But when I do discuss any fighters, I throw any favoritism and bias out the door. I really can't say the same for you.

His high output leaves him open a lot. More so then a conventional fighter. Maybe you've rarely seen him eat anything because he's fought VERY weak opponents for 95% of his career. Things change when you go up a level.

Judah's done vs. any top 5 WW, Margarito included. Boxing is more then handspeed.

 

Since they are both old. And both have met Tarver at this old age. Granted Hopkins assets do not wither with age like RJJs, but they still wither.

 

Selective? If that's what want you think, that's what you'll think. I can't say for anyone else, but I generally read every post in a thread before I engage in a discussion. It would be rude not too.

You can post whatever list you'd like. Me? There are only a handful of posters I think really know their stuff. But perhaps I have higher standards then you. Afterall, you're kissing up to CHJ...atsch

 

Also Hopkins came up from MW and DOMINATED Tarver, that should be taken into consideration. But to be fair, I never thought that much of Tarver to begin with. I just expected him to be too big for Hops.

 

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(I just woke my daughter laughing tho...and now my wife wants to kill me.....thanks....)

 

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Credit where credit's due, nice job with the graph. Visuals are always welcome.

 

And I predicted an easy UD for Hopkins. It was not a surprise to me, nor any of the best boxing analysts that I know.

 

I predicted a win, but a little closer.

Gee, I guess if I wanted to sound like a know-it-all, I should have said that too.

If you could bend over backward, you'd kiss your own ass Amsterdam.