I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

Yes he did, but as I said to Sues2nd, Tarver didn't look sharp(of mind) nor fit, and that needs to be taken into consideration also. So plusses for moving up, minus for unfit opponent.

Same goes for JC-Lacy. Had Lacy been competitive in any way, it would have been as great a win as people had expected before the match. He wasn't, so it detracts a bit from JCs gain. Again I am not saying that JC didn't deserve alot of credit for it, just not as much as expected. Same with Tarver vs RJJ. We can't give Tarver the same recognition, when RJJ was a shade of his former self.

 

I mean we can sit here all we want and say that Roy Jones could beat Ray Robinson but guess what thats a question mark. Nothing is for certain there so you can dream and think about who would beat who all you want but that doesn't mean ****. Roy Jones didn't accomplish a small fraction of what Ray Robinson accomplished therefore Robinson is the greater fighter.

 

The lb 4 lb isn't about whos better its about whos greater. BIG DIFFERENCE

 

So why was PBF no. 1 pre-Oscar? When Pacman had beaten better fighters.

He is simply forgiven because people acknowledge how skilled he is.

 

the lb 4 lb list works the same exact way as the ATG list. The only difference is that the lb 4 lb list is an ATG list of a small section of time between a group of fighters who have all competed in that same decade or w/e. There really isn't a difference between ATG list and lb 4 lb list.

 

Great thread , I don't mind people giving Hops a high ranking on achievement but head to head there are a few guys at supermiddle and light heavy I'd confidently pick to beat him atm, Calzaghe being one of them.

 

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Ask a poster to name the ATG top 10 fighters and All Time P4P fighters and see how different. Probably not much difference.

 

Pretty much, but its fun to toy with at times.

 

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this is as good as the tree you put up explaining why jack prescott is a sub concious calzaghe fan

 

lets say Floyd Mayweather never aged and he kept on schooling people to 12 round decisions or w/e..But instead of fighting talented opposition he fights bums and never losses a fight nor deteriorates in athleticism.

On the other hand you got Manny Pacquiao who does slow down with age but he still pulls off the victories against solid opposition and champions at 130lbs... This would put Manny at #1 lb 4 lb and Floyd would move right on down the list.

If you beat great opposition you get bumped up the list theres no other way to put this.

 

Because you don't move down unoless you lose apparently. Look, P4P lists from different publications and posters often ALL look different, but pretty much have the same criteria. Head to head is NOT a factor because it's too open to bias or opinion. And reallty, P4P is such a pointless item to begin with. It means nothing since everyone and their mother has a different one.

but quick question,if you have one fighter being top guys, champs and PROVEN fighters, but barely, and one beating mere contenders but in an impressive fashion, which do you think should rank higher?