I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

I loved how Maweather fans would say, "He deserves most of the money or to call the shots casue he's P4P..."

 

Yours is just as bad, if not worse.

 

What makes your definition any better than anyone elses?

 

Ask yourself this why is Pacquiao number 2 if Resume has nothing to do with lb 4 lb? He clearly has his weaknesses and he clearly can be beaten.

Why isn't kessler/Calzaghe/Hatton/Cotto and every other undefeated fighter tied for the #1 spot on the lb 4 lb lists? they all can dispose of B level opposition no problem right? So how the **** do you separate them? You go to who they fought and who fought more better fighters and thats basically how it works.

 

Firstly I don't understand the concept of H2H, and I never use concepts I don't understand .

Answer to good question: I can't give a one-dimensional answer, so bear with me. I would say the one that beats top guys. Competing with elites and competing with those below are two different areas. Its easy to look great vs lesser fighters, but fighting elites will most likely be close matches and truely test the fighter.

However, as I have said in the thread, I look at weight, age, and where they are at. I don't rate elites as elites till they hang up their gloves. Some will be elites longer than others - its not static. A contender on the way up could very well be better than a proven elite in his current state(he has just prolonged his stay on the top by handpicking fights, that stylistically won't be nightmares for him or test him).

 

- yeah, its good sane persons know, who brings the money and attention to a fight.

 

Why does it have to be solely ELITE fighters though. WHy not other world class guys, and base it on how the fighter performs against them. For instance, taking on another world champion or a legitimate contender in the divison and throughly beating them should be worth more in the p4p stakes then it is. An example is Kesslers dominate KO of Marcus Beyer. Beyer is by no stretch great, but surely he deserves credit for KO'ing another world title holder in emphatic fashion?

 

So why did PBF stay at no. 1 when he fought bums like Gatti and Baldomir? Not to mention a weakminded early gassing speedster in Zab Judah?

 

Roy Jones isn't a top ATG... Are you implying that he couldn't beat almost all the top ATG greats head 2 head based on skill and ability? I know for a fact my list would be extremely different.

 

Good graphs.

 

because he has fought from 130-154 with dominance. Never really getting hurt and never appearing that he could lose only once with Castillo and he quickly avenged that. Floyd Defeating Hatton will definitely lock him into the #1 spot.

 

basing a list off athleticism makes no sense at all because it is all based of 1 big ass assumption that we will never know. You can only rank fighters by what they have done in the ring and compare that to other boxers. There are too many boxers to rank them in any other way than that.