I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

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  1. Korn_06

    Korn_06 ESB Slave Full Member

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    I dont really do p4p lists since I think I would be rated a ****** if I did, and I have too little knowledge of the lower weight divisions. But the answer to this question is of course NO.

    INTERESTING is however, if we imagine a BHOP with 2 arms and 1 head fighting RJJ at LHW for no belt at all. And RJJ wins!!! Where would you rate RJJ P4P and where would you rate BHOP P4P? Also interesting where would you rank Tarver now?
     
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  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tarver did just scrape by someone way outside the top 50. There is too many weak fighters around his level to place him exactly. Whereas there are less elite fighters, whom you have seen a lot of, which makes them easier to rank. Tarver could be anywhere from 40-150 now!
     
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  3. halfamazin1

    halfamazin1 Member Full Member

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    YUP:thumbsup
     
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  4. The Whaler

    The Whaler My dog be thorough. Full Member

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    What if Hopkins' head fell off but he still had use of his arms? Would he still be Top 5 P4P?
     
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  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The question is, why won't they rate him lower because he's old.

    Being old is pretty much the same as having no arms. Hopkins is getting as slow as Carl Froch these days.
     
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  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not greater no.

    Greatness is overrated anyway and is reserved solely for American fighters. Calzaghe is true P4P material though.
     
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  7. The Whaler

    The Whaler My dog be thorough. Full Member

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    Teddy "Ultimate Dragon" Atlas KO1 Bernard Hopkins
     
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  8. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Based off his wins over the great Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika, and Peter Manfredo? Hopkins would still look every bit as good against those guys as Calzaghe did. Hopkins has fought the better opposition, fighters with higher P4P status, and won despite being 40+. Now that is P4P material.
     
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  9. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Truth be told, Hopkins have never looked as good as JC did vs Lacy, nor would he be able to.
     
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  10. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Also Hopkins vs Johnson :good
     
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  11. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    "Opinion be told..." is how you should have started that sentence DP. Hopkins looked awesome vs. Tito. He also looked great vs. Glenn Johnson earlier.

    Joe C looking great against Lacy isn't nearly as impressive simply because Lacy was never what he was made out as. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Joe C, just telling it like it is w/o a bias. Yeah some overhyped Lacy. But that was moreso fans, especially on this site. I remember his fights vs. Richard Grant and Ross Thompson. I knew he had nothing that resembled a jab.

    That said, Hops dismantling Tito is much more impressive then Joe Beating Lacy simply because Tito was a world class Champion fighter. Lacy wasn't and had what, 25 fights to Joe's 40 or so?
     
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  12. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Hopkins v. Tarver:deal
     
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  13. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    I wasn't argueing who met the best comp, because thats no contest. JC-Lacy was a 12 round beatdown from start to finish. You can't beat a man more decisively(KOs shortens the beatings) - Hopkins was more impressive due to comp, but they weren't more decisive.

    Else I agree with you and the 2 posters above, plus Brooklyn. The statement was merely how great he looked in the fights that Brooklyn mentioned.
     
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  14. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    We have been through this one - Tarver was **** in this match and you know it. More **** than Lacy.
     
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  15. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Highly debatable. This is NOT a fact, and only an opinion.

    :****off
     
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