I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

THANKS!!!

You sound pretty smart yourself.....and handsome as well!!!

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You have to assume it was Hopkins who MADE Tarver fight that way all night.

It's not like Tarver went into the fight with an injury...or really fought much different than he did vs. RJJ or Johnson...Hopkins took his confidence away and tagged him almost at will.

All this said, I consider Hopkins in the top 5. I also think Calzaghe has a case for #4 or #5 right now, and is possibly the most talented member of the pfp group of right now.

 

Only problem is...how could one decide how good someone is without making reference to his most recent achievements/fights? Unless you are his day to day sparring partner or trainer...

 

Take it easy, CHJ...you've done this thread a couple of times now!

 

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atschatschatsch

 

Your definately losing it now....your quoting and talking to yourself....

 

Its called sleep jackass....atsch You made your post at like 5am here.

No, your an alias...its pretty obvious (and pretty sad as well...)

Apparently alot of people actually. Considering it gets brought up by others ALL THE TIME.....but of course by my ONE post (this IS the only post I have ever posted in with you....in your ONE DAY HERE!!! )where I disagree with your ridiculously biased post, you can OBVIOUSLY see where my allegances lie. Your so obviously an alias its sad.

atsch

I like Pac. He has fought some great fighters. He has moved up and fought champions. As has Bernard (Tarver and now he has mentioned a possible fight with Calzaghe after he beats Kessler). Again, you are selective in your views.

But even he uses dirty tactics in fights. He has been warned many times, in many different fights about intentionally stepping on the front foot of the opponent when coming forward swinging....something that is illegal. Or is it that just Hopkins bending of the rules not allowed in your book?

As for their resumes. Pac beat Morales twice (and LOST ONCE...and EM was waaay past his prime already, having already lost to Raheim after the first one proving it), he beat MAB once (and I think he will do it again), Larios (a good fighter) and a draw with JMM.

How is that better than Hopkins? Are you serious?

Again, I said the majority of the press, the fans, the experts and other fighters/trainers/announcers, etc. had Hop winning. The people who feel he didnt are the minority. Can you even read?

Plus, you show in your comment that you dont even know how to properly score a fight.

You score a fight using 4 criteria....not just aggression. Are you aware also that Hopkins outlanded (or landed the same amount) of punches in many of those early rounds....all while exhibiting the better defense (1st criteria), dictating the pace and style of the fight (ring generalship...2nd criteria) and landing the harder cleaner shots (3rd criteria). Aggression MUST be EFFECTIVE (4th criteria) for it to win you the round. In many of those early rounds, Taylor was not effective (he wasnt hitting Hop, he was getting hit harder and cleaner and he couldnt use that aggression to dictate the pace of the fight.).

So again, explain to me how he wasnt active enough to win them?

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Floyd promised to KO Oscar. This is called prefight hype. Do we automatically NOT think they won, because of their prefight trash talk?

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WOW YOU ARE BIAS!!!! THEY BOTH WERE HOLDING THROUGHOUT THE SECOND FIGHT!!!!???? Go check out the number of clinches for each fighter for that fight. Use google next time and stop embarrassing yourself.

And again, you say he performed worse...but that is YOUR OPINION. Because like the first fight, most of press row, most of the fans and most of the others, HAD HOP WINNING!!!!

Stop confusing your biased opinion with facts. I actually had Hop winning the first one clearly and I had the second one a draw. But I do not claim that because I had him winning, that he automatically won and that Taylor sucked (I think Taylor fought Bernard tough actually...tougher than anyone had for years). You can fairly say that Taylor got the win in a close fight....but anything more than that is rubbish and shows an obvious bias (notice I always qualify saying Hop won the Taylor fights with an "arguably").

Again, what have I said that is not factual?

Now, whomever you are (I may have been wrong about Jack....Jack is MUCH smarter than you)....quit arguing opinion as fact. And do some homework next time....Im getting sick of rebuking your rubbish....

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How could anyone question Hopkins p4p status ??

 

No idea....no.....i.....dea.....:huh

 

Doesnt matter anymore....I just wish I could apologize to Jack, he is leaps and BOUNDS ahead of you in boxing knowledge (sorry buddy!!!).

So cheating is ok as long as its in smaller doses. Makes total sense.

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So EM's loss should be considered to show he is still somehow at the top of his game (are you seriously saying Morales hasnt been on a steady decline now for a while?)....because it was a close, contested fight that most consider a win. Yet Hopkins doesnt get the same luxury from you?

But you say you are NOT bias?

I like Pac alot. I think the Morales wins are great wins....I pointed out his decline KNOWING you would bring up the Diaz fight, which would allow me to smash your arguement to bits about the Taylor fight.

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No I left them out on purpose...just like you left out all of the other great wins on Hopkins resume when you said that Hopkins wins were against smaller men.

Again, I show your bias outlook. If its a fighter you like, you will use every angle possible to credit this fighter (the resume, the EM thing, etc.)...yet in the case of a fighter you DO NOT LIKE, you convieniently leave out facts and discredit things you give credit to others on.

You cant have it both ways. If you give credit for a close fight (win or lose) for one fighter...then you cant take AWAY credit from another for a close fight (win or lose). Just like ya cant only give credit for a few wins and leave out other bigger ones....then attack when its done back.

Contradiction at its finest.

And Larios, MAB and Morales are not American fighters jackass.....leave that "outside the US" bull**** for an arguement it fits moron.

(hell, I am one of the biggest Calzaghe fans on here....and he hasnt fought here YET!)

Yes they can be. But when you ENTIRE ARGUEMENT IS ACTIVITY (the incorrect way to score a fighter BTW), and there are COLD HARD FACTS (compubox) that do not support your arguement.....well then, thats when those facts become important.

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Do you even KNOW what ring generalship means? I dont think you do. I think you should google it....then pretend you knew the whole time.

And I have already shown that him "doing nothing" is a bull**** false observation. Please use something you can backup with fact please.

Again, stop arguing YOUR OPINION!!! It makes you look uneducated.

Umm, yeah, he almost doubled Taylor's power punches landed....but again, google it...then you can pretend you knew it all along....

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I thought you said he won the fight in most peoples opinion...

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OH, I FORGOT....only when the facts fit your arguement. Sorry....I will do better to remember how unbelievably biased and ridiculous your mind works...

atsch

ONE - dont assume....I actually have Pac second in my top 10 p4p list....right behind Floyd.

TWO - you are again mixing pre-fight hype with actual predictions.

THREE - if the opposite of Hopkins KOing Taylor happened...then Taylor would have KOd Bernard. GOD YOUR DUMB!

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Yet we have already shown that the MAJORITY (consensus, most of the people, more than the minority, the most amount of the 100% having an opinion) feel the same way that I did (MORE even have Hop winning both). So you are telling me that the majority is wrong....but only YOU are right.

Again, arguing your OPINIONS as FACTS! There is a difference.

And again I will point out that Morales in your eyes beat Diaz and should get all the credit in the world.....yet Hopkins did the same in most other peoples eyes, yet he should get none.

AND I AM THE BIAS ONE!!!

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I do think he lost to Castillo or a draw at worst. Again with the assuming.

atsch

But Floyd won the second quite handily

(And did you even READ what I wrote...I cant stand Floyd...I said this....but I do think he will beat Hatton, whom I actually DO LIKE. Showing once again, that I look at things as a boxing fan, not a fan of a fighter.).

God your dumb. (PS, go away...your embarassing yourself.)

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