I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

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  1. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Wright looked like **** vs Sam Soliman. A guy that Mundine thrashed and KO'd. Wright is overrated at this point. Not only that, he was pulled way above his natural weight to fight Hopkins.

    Dont get me wrong, they are class fighters, but its getting ridiculous, and as you say, they need to fight prime fighters soon.
     
  2. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    out of topic, but i noticed you have mijares among your top 5. who do you think wins in a potential christian mijares - martin castillo fight?? imo the no.s 1 & 2 at super fly. castillo is among my favorite fighters right now, and this is among my potential great match ups at super fly (one of the best deep divisions today imo).
     
  3. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    grabbing a title in a 5th weightclass whilst remaining undefeated should mean something. skillswise nobody touches floyd (uh.... ok. maybe except calzaghe:D ). so with those factors he is p4p number 1 in my eyes.

    pacman did look bad against marquez, larios and solis. plus he lost to morales in their first encounter. sure he knocked out morales in the succeeding fights but there is a strong indication that pac fought a shot morales.
     
  4. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I still give PBF great credit for beating Oscar even out of his prime. They are both 5-0 in their last 5 fights, even though he struggled early with Zab I like that because it shows you how he can adjust to something. Pac had impressive victories against Morales, but I don't think it was the best Morales, taking nothing away from Pac I still give PBF the edge as pfp king.
     
  5. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if bernard manages to dominate an opponent even without his arms then he should definately be top 1.:good
     
  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not if that opponent is Tarver.

    But seriously though, would you rate Hopkins top 5 if his arms fell off today? Or would you need to wait to see him lose his next fight via 1st round TKO? He'd be stopped as he'd be unable to defend himself and would have stopped throwing punches back at his opponent.
     
  7. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    amsterdam i think mijares is way too high at #3. hes done absolutely nothing if you take away that arce fight.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Don't know if Castillo will fight him to be honest. Mijarez is scary.

    But I'd go Mijarez stoppage on cuts(Castillo gets opened up easy).
     
  9. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    He is in the top 10 easy, some have him in the top 5, I would probably put him right outside of the top five... But top 10 for sure.
     
  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Imagine resumes don't exist for a moment.

    Do you consider Hopkins one of the 10 best boxers in the world today. In terms of his overall combination of fitness, skill, talent, physical gifts (less than they used to be).
     
  11. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Still, how many of those great fighters have accomplished what he has?? As long as he is still pulling off wins against elite fighters, I don't see why not.:yep
     
  12. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i like castillo, but i figured as much. close fight, but 6-4 on the cards. mijares is too long for castillo to outbox, even with his good boxing techniqe. still a fight i'd like to see
     
  13. Napoleon

    Napoleon Smokin' Full Member

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    Just by looking at resumes you could see Calzaghe can't hold Hopkins' jockstrap.
     
  14. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Well thats why P4P and H2H are different.... He has still got one of the best resumes, and pulling off wins against great fighters. That is above the people who havn't fully proven themselves.
     
  15. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    take resume away and i do admit bernard hopkins wont make top 10. but thats not the way p4p works. because if thats the case floyd and joe calzaghe :)D ) are top 1 and 2 unanimously.