I want an insite into the mind of those rating Bernard Hopkins amongst the top 5 P4P

Against Taylor who had had 22 fights priorly.

I guess you are refering to 36 year old Tarver, who fought like ****, and what had he done? Beaten 38 year old RJJ whose greatest assests had been taken away from him by father age.

Winky at a weight class he had never fought in before, and he was featherfisted at 150-160.

He has beaten good fighters, no doubt. But you can't live on past glory or painted pictures...

 

I made no error. If you are as big an intellect as you CLAIM :roll:, then you'd have no problem giving an example that fit. Instead, you made a ridiculous exagerration to try and make your point.

That's simply your opinion. One no on can really prove or disprove. It can only be done in the ring.

 

The Calzaghe of the Byron Mitchell fight for example would have had Lacy out by the mid rounds. Faster, plus more punching power due to less hand problems, skill was about the same, just different styles calling for different game plan's.

 

Well I disagree... Hence the subjectiveness of it all... and hence why you can't place someone in the p4p lists until they PROVE they should be there...

Resumes and accomplishments MUST play a factor...

:hi:

 

Yes,

I use 50% H2H and 50% resume.

 

I disagree. If Lacy put Calzaghe down like Mitchell did, Calzaghe gets knocked out... Although I'd always favour Calzaghe over Lacy, just sayin'...

 

Lacy hits no harder than Mitchell and Calzaghe walked into that shot that put him down. He was up at 3 and by the time the ref called the continue, he was on fire to demolish the guy, that's a show of a good chin.

Mitchell had 1 punch KO power. Lacy had more volume oriented power, where he'd break you down with heavy shots.

 

You may be right. But at the same time, you COULD be wrong. And I'm just pointing out the subjectiveness of it all. It's all WHAT IF'S, MAYBES and COULD BE'S. We'll never know how Calzaghe would have done against an elite fighter in 2000-2004 because he NEVER FOUGHT ONE... He MAY HAVE, or even better put, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, done okay and maybe even won... You'll just never know.

And when I say elite figher, I mean a legimate top ten p4per. Guys like Eubank, Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Brewer... were good supermiddles, no doubt. But in no way shape or form elite

 

So you can't see the context in naming RJJ? So are you saying that Hopkins is as good as 8 years ago? Is beating Hopkins a great win at 42? Is beating a shot 36 year old Tarver a great win? If you can't see the context, then you are part of the problem.

Yay, lets hope Kessler will get his match vs Hopkins in a couple of years, because he would then jump into top 3 for that win. What a crock.

 

Then you should have all the bigger guys ABOVE then smaller guys. Floyd should be above Pac because Floyd would BEAT Pac, and guys Floyd beat, would probably beat PAc as well.

Your arrogance blinds you from seeing how flawed your criteria is. I know you LOVE to pretend you're never wrong and such a great fight picker, most pretend to be something or someone they aren't online, but nothing is for sure in boxing unless they actually fight. You can post all day and night your list BASED on who you think wins, but no one, aside from CHJ and some posters on a fanboy friendly message board, will take it seriously.

 

Yeah, I'm sure you really did.

 

And was the #1 contender for most of the belts. Had WALKED through everyone he has fought before...and has taken on nothing but quality fights since.

Do you even watch boxing?

Tarver has beaten Jones twice, Johnson, Griffin, Harding, etc. He is also a dangerous puncher and was the universally regarded champ at that weight. A weight in which Hopkins had never fought in before.

So Winky was no threat because he had never fought there before, so Hop gets no credit....but then Hop gets no credit for the Tarver win, even tho he had never fought there before?

Sounds like a little contradiction to me there bro!

As for him being featherfisted...so what? He is also a MASTER defensively (I rank him third active behind Hopkins and Floyd), has a great jab and is an extremely smart fighter.

No Winky wasnt going to KO Bernard (but the man has one of the best chins out there...not many people would), but he was a HUGE threat. And Hop beat him CLEARLY. He also almost at will broke through Winky's defense, something NOONE has done in over a decade.

I gave NO evidence from past glory, I spoke of his most recent fights...