I want to believe, but how can Floyd fail where Miguel Cotto succeeded?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Apr 29, 2010.


  1. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The key points are this: This was Cotto before the Margarito beating. Does anyone remember how good Cotto was? He was steamrolling over everybody. I believe that beating he took from Margarito changed his as a fighter. Cotto's best performance of his career I guarantee you will be his win over Mosley.

    Another point is the fight was close. You could probably score it 7-5 either way ot a draw. It's not like Mosley lost every round or something. Cotto is also a better puncher than Mayweather and dare I say has more balls. Mosley was expecting a firefight not a boxing match but he DID adjust in that fight.

    Lastly Mosley has Richardson in his Corner now. I think that is going to make a big difference. Maybe he would have KO'd Cotto if he had Richardson with him at the time. Of course maybe not and maybe Richardson doesn't matter in the Mayweather fight either, but it was a different Mosley against Margarito than it was against Cotto.
     
  2. di tullio

    di tullio Guest

    how can shane fail where castillo succeeded?
     
  3. horst

    horst Guest

    Cotto isn't much bigger than Floyd at all, and the version of Floyd who smoked Corrales was a superfeatherweight. Floyd NEVER looked as good as that in any of his 4 lightweight fights.
     
  4. horst

    horst Guest

    Fair point!
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather overrates his accomplishments, but not his abilities. He is the best and most skilled boxer in the game at the minute.

    I think he makes himself look stupid/silly/conceited/deluded when he ranks his skills as greater than Robinson/Whittaker/Leonard etc.


    And when he compares his greatness to those three and Ali, Hearns, Jones, Delahoya and a host of others he is exposed as a blithering fool who knows little about the history of the sport.

    But he is physically the most complete package in boxing today.

    He does appear to have some mental deficiencies though, as evidenced by his avoidance (I wouldn't say ducking) of some names that would have enhanced his greatness. Cotto, Margarito and Williams come to mind.

    I would pick him over all three, but I wonder why he avoided them.

    His clear avoidance of a former 112 lb champion and the great lengths he's traveled in order to avoid Pac tells me clearly that he fears Pac. I don't think Pac is as good, but Pac has more balls, more aggressiveness, more heart and is a bit unorthodox in where he throws from. Also, his margin in the skill department is razor thin , and while Floyd doesn't fear him in the sense that he's afraid to get hurt, I believe he clearly fears facing Pac as he feels Pac has a pretty good chance to beat him, and possibly even embarrassingly so.

    He took Mosley a bit reluctantly when he had little choice, and when 40 was approaching. He knows that this version of Mosley is not in the same physical condition as Pac and that stamina could be an issue. And as he himself is in excellent condition, he can afford to wait till the late rounds to turn it on, something he can't afford with Pac.

    This is the third best of the three match-ups possible (Floyd-Pac and Floyd Mosley would IMO, be more exciting).

    And I'm hoping Shane brings one last great effort tonight.

    I'm reluctant to pick him as my brain tells me that he'll probably lose.

    When I picked BHop over both Tito and Pavlik, I felt my head and heart were in correct alignment and couldn't understand why Hopkins would be the underdog.

    When I picked BHop over Tarver, I realized that Bernard needed the upset.

    Tonight, Shane clearly needs the upset. I picked him to do it a year or so ago over Marg, but Floyd is no Marg.

    So, in the sincere hope that I'm wrong, I'm picking Floyd by a decision.


    Floyd by stoppage: 4 %
    Floyd by decision: 52 %

    Draw/DQ/NC/ : 1%

    Mosley by decision: 8 %
    Mosley by stoppage: 35%
     
  6. horst

    horst Guest

    I often think you overrate Mayweather, but you are right on the money with this post. Good read and very good post.