I want to see all three full scorecards in Kovalev vs Ward.

totally agree...kovalev definitely won this fight and its clear as day

 

You saying Kovalev won the tenth based purely on punch stats?

 

I gave 10 to Kovalev and still had Ward the victor.

 

But forcing the action needs to be seen by the judges as effective, that's subjective. Also, how is it possible to tell all punches have been landed cleanly via the two-dimensions of TV and from one angle, when the judges have three dimensions and are looking at the action from three different PoVs? The angle of the camera can make all the difference between a punch that was actually slipped being scored as having landed. And if it had been slipped, not only would that punch not count but the defence would score, so it's double jeopardy.

Scoring from the TV is notoriously flawed but I'm glad to know you did take into account, punching, effective aggression, ring generalship and defence and didn't make the common error of just focusing on the punches landed. You didn't mention that in your original post, so I assumed you'd just watched the punches and assessed on that. Because to do that, would render invalid the point you were making.

 

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THX Man.

 

Exactly right. Neither man landed all that much in this round (and certainly there was no discernible or obvious differential that was all that apparent).

 

The reality is that with the exception of the 2nd round .. there were no large margins at all in this entire fight. This was 1 clear round for Sergey (the 2nd) and 11 close rounds.

As much as Compubox has proven historically to be fraught with examples of human error, if one removes Kovalev's 2nd round punch count differential from the total you are left with basically an even punch count for the two fighters over eleven tight rounds. What is evident from the total connects, the connect percentages, and watching the fight itself is that both fighters had a difficult time landing clean punches. On the knockdown, Ward tried to counter over Kovalev's jab and ran into Kov's right that got there first - one mistake or one anticipation that proved an incorrect choice as he ran into the following 2. Other than that, there was nothing easy for Kovalev or Ward. One good round is still just one good round.

Look at it akin to the recent presidential election. Clinton is now up on the popular vote by approximately 1.5 million votes. That is similar to Kovalev and Ward basically landing the identical number of punches over eleven rounds. There is no mandate as half the country stands in opposition to both of the two candidates, without exception. Sergey won the 2nd round clear. He didn't win any rounds besides that which cannot be disputed as all judgement is subjective when the punch counts are so similar. The 10th was the same. Really it was a very inactive round for both fighters .. in a fight overall in which both struggled to find the other.

You can believe that Sergey won. But, it is a very narrow differential in the aggregate and on an individual or round-by-round basis. Your time would be better spent explaining why Kovalev was unable to land anything else of consequence beside one punch in the 2nd round in which both fighters threw and one got there first. We know why Ward's punch was late as he was attempting a counter and Kovalev was coming with the 2 behind the 1. But, Kovalev had an entire fight to replicate that moment or produce other definitive results and did not.

Searching for collusion between the judges or something similar would seem to suggest you have forgotten quite a bit from all of the fights you have watched in your lifetime; the erroneous scores, the regularity in which that occurs, and how widespread it is even in fights that are easy to call or judge or assess. In a close fight with such difficulty by the fighters in landing cleanly it should not be a surprise that three judges independently could see it the same way. You might be on to something or the thought could be entertained more readily if there were one hundred judges responsible for evaluating the contest but there are just three (as is always the case). That sample size does not do anything for your "fix is in" conspiracy theory. Rewatch the Miranda/Abraham fight if you want something blatant where real collusion occurred and it pretty much happened like an interactive "just-in-time" contingency plan in an emergency (when the unanticipated occurred and Abraham had his jaw broken).

Kovalev was dangerous the entire fight. He was a threat all twelve rounds. But, the most dangerous man in the light heavyweight division really only landed one punch that mattered the entire fight. He didn't put his stamp on this contest. He left it out there for others to decide. Don't you think he should have come out guns blazing in the 3rd? His people and himself knew that the Nevada boxing commission would dictate the referees (as far as we know). He knew for many many weeks there would not be a Russian judging the fight. A greater sense of urgency to at least have ONE SOLITARY ADDITIONAL moment of success would have seemed a prudent objective and priority before this fight ended.

 

I got to about 10-15 shows a years including small halls.

I past caring about the result we just watched 2 elite fighters give everything and there was nothing in it.

Both are 1 and 2 p4p for me now and i hope they set an example of how you can fight the best and there are no real losers. I dont care about that 0 especially in this case as its so close to call imo