I was at ringside for Toney-Lebedev

THE BLADE 2 · Nov 7, 2011

FAT_TONEY said: ↑

Obviously Toney had problems with his left foot/leg from round two on. I think the long years as a pro finally catch up to James - plus he didn't really care about his body, like a Bernard Hopkins does. Losing about 60lbs in a few months at age 42/43 certainly does not help either..

Toney looked somehat half-decent in the first round, it was the only close round (Lbedev still took it), but that said, I think he would have lost this fight regardless, even without injury. He seemed weight-drained to me, like in the Roy Jones fight, no power, no energy, no speed.. Maybe he would have won a couple rounds, but not the fight.

Props to Toney for not quitting though, when he could just have taken the easy way out. He stayed in the fight with a bad knee for 11 rounds against a younger, bigger, stronger opponent. There is no quit in Toney and he is a tough son of a b*tch. Lebedev was not able to take him out.

I think Toney should listen to his body now and finally retire. He's an ATG and there's nothing more to prove. He's slurring his speech too (more than ever).
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Well , I agree with most you said.

Except for the part that Toney should retire.

If Toney gets accustomed to this new weight and stays injury free, he should take one more fight at cruiserweight and take it from there. I think that is certainly reasonable.

DonBoxer · Nov 7, 2011

Boxed Ears said: ↑

Damn, I'm writing that down so I can use it in my next thread.
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Cyber bully.

MarioBrothers · Nov 7, 2011

THE BLADE 2 said: ↑

Lowblow from the ESB forum was also there. We must have been about the only two Toney fans in the entire arena which was not sold out (about 2/3 of the arena was filled with Russians).

Toney did not look good. His punches were slow, not crisp, his output low.
Even for his standards, Toney was way too stationary . After the second round,we knew Toney was in for a very tough night.

But I must say that it was clear from ringside that Toney did NOT take a beating in this fight unlike some of the fighters on the udnercard who just took a lot of flush hard shots.

After rewatching the fight on youtube, it seems quite obvious that Toney injured his left knee. That explains why he always put all of his weight on the right foot.I just know that without this injury, Toney would have been a lot more competitive (he may not have won though).

Now, Toney should keep his weight down and fight about two more times as a cruiserweight before taking another title shot.
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I didn't see the fight but from what I've been hearing its really bad, its safe to say he's shot now to jones level, I think losing that much weight same with jones coming down from HW to 175 ****s up all your reflexes, speed, and stam. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets KOed if he keeps fighting, i know he is known best for his defense but if he has slowed down tremendously that would be his downfall

lowblow3 · Nov 7, 2011

Like The Blade stated we were the only 2 Toney fans in an arena filled with hostile Lebedev fanatics.

Despite being a huge Toney fan for nearly 15 years now (I wonder how much fellow posters can say their favourite fighters), I clearly have to admit that James seems finished at this point. Except for his defense pretty much everything looked shot last Saturday. On the other side I do think that Toney should give it a last try as a cw, he clearly has no business fighting as a hw anymore (let alone the Klits no matter what he thinks...). With his defense still being intact, there is no harm in taking on a decent cw (Brian Minto on ESPN anyone) while being 100% injury free and accustomed to 200 lbs. This could answer some questions and is definitely better than making stupidly dangerous MMA fights...

As for Lebedev, I give him massive credit for fighting the perfect fight against Toney. He clearly has matured a lot since the Huck fight and is the best CW in my book.

irishny · Nov 7, 2011

Yeah because if it wasnt for the knee injury,he would have been dancing around the ring like he always do.... oh wait.

iceman71 · Nov 7, 2011

Antsu said: ↑

After watching the fight second time I notest that knee really did bother him.

I wonder how much better, that match would have go without injury
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woulda , coulda, shoulda, blah blah

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