I watched De la Hoya vs Mosley II last night and it seemed clear that Oscar won....

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  1. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do myself a favour not tryin to understand how can you call me a 12 year old and that I have written crap when I came up with this just for you... Actually, that's the reason I won't go to Chavez-Whitaker so that you won't say the same. But I would like to know where's the nonsense ??? - Shane felt overwhelmingly stronger because he saw and heard Hoya wincing at his shots and didn't feel the impact of Hoya's as much... What do you mean that strength has nothing to do with punching hard? This is boxing - punching hard, taking shots well or not backing up has to do with strength - what did you expect? Mosley to hold, lift and slam Hoya to the floor??? You tell me why would 3 judges and 4 out of 5 elements of the press at ringside score for Mosley if it wasn't for punching power and authority?
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Spot-on, Lance.

    That something like 17 of the 23 members in press row scored the bout for Mosley speaks volumes.

    The HBO announcing was very poor and very biased that night, which was around the same time of the Oquendo-Byrd fight, which ultimately led to Foreman's resignation (clearly, he was run out of town as a scapegoat, despite the 'official' cover).

    Mosley won. It was close, but the hoopla surrounding this one has more to do with Oscar's extraordinary fan base than it does with any actual 'corruption' in the official cards.
     
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  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First of all, you don't call me a kid because you are behaving like one. I go to check on the tape and write some objective stuff for you and you laugh about it, use improper, impolite language such as that you wish I go away ( that I had ****ed off) and I only say rubbish ( back with brown ****)... You show clearly who's trolling around here like a kid!

    Second, you don't solve anything for me - only could communicate like a civilized person but you don't. Larry asked Mosley " Were you surprised with the decision?" ( And Gary Shaw laughs at the biased question behind Shane) and Shane says "I was surprised with the decision because we are here in Vegas and all... I think it was a close fight, Oscar fought a good boxing fight, moved well and made it difficult for me to get in but I felt strong, with my punching power, I felt overwhelmingly stronger"... Obviously I don't need to go on and speak about Tito, Sturm or anyone else. One given athlete becomes the activity that he does, a strong workman does more demanding tasks, a strong boxer punches harder and that's why Shane, the 3 judges and 4 reporters thought he won... Now, if you don't want to read my posts, block me or ignore them ( cause I have no reason to block anyone), and please, please, leave the trolling stuff to the Calzaghe fans. I wish you well even with all that has been said. Thank you.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

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    Mosley DID win. On this, there can be no dispute. In fact, the decision was unanimous, but still....I'll play along.

    Perhaps because Shane didn't think he would get a fair shake in Vegas and because the rematch was closer than their first encounter which was inexplicably scored as split decision.

    Shane's confidence was clearly still somewhat rattled from the Forrest fights, but you could still see it growing with each passing round.

    Because it was a close fight, and good trainers tend to give such advice in close fights.


    Probably because he didn't believe they would get the nod in Vegas.


    Because he had successfully resurrected his career.

    Seriously, this line of questioning is rather silly if you ask me.

    Why did 17 out of 23 writers in press row and 3 out of 3 judges score the bout for Shane???
    I see you attempted addressing this fact after I typed this out, but you basically site one example of a man's whose opinion you dismiss. Okay then, what of the 16 of the remaining 22? (Admittedly, my numbers may be off here).

    Are you saying I cannot score a bout?

    I scored it 115-113 for Mosley, as did many others.

    In the end, on boxing message boards, something like 75% of fans polled stated that they believe Oscar won. This is not the least bit surprising, being 75% of fans predicted an Oscar win before the fight.

    It's even less surprising when you consider Oscar still had a lot of die-hard fans back then, at a time when he was still generally considered an elite fighter.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    Honestly, I've been through this debate countless times here since the fight happened. I have not seen the fight in awhile, and I no longer have the breakdown, but I scored it 7-5 for Shane each and everytime I saw the fight (which was three times, including the live broadcast, with the other two being right around that same time).

    I scored the first bout 116-112 for Shane, and had Shane sweeping the final six in that one. I believe I had him taking five of the final six in their rematch.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

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    Well, you're entitled to your opinion, of course.

    I thought the decision was fair.

    The worst three I can think of off the top of my head (excluding lesser bouts and undercards) were Golota-Ruiz, Lewis-Holyfield I, and Hopkins-Taylor II.

    Holyfield-Ruiz I was pretty bad, too, but that trilogy sucked such balls, I didn't really care.
     
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  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whom ever is debating cantregister is obviously just waisting his time.....he sadly just dismisses sound reasoning with a laugh, as if it makes no sense, but obviously makes all the sense in the world.

    .....his forum name say's it all, the man just cant register!
     
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  8. princedigital

    princedigital New Member Full Member

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    Without a doubt DLH won that fight, I was very shocked at the desicion.
     
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  9. bill poster

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    I was amazed at the decision. Oscar did more than enough to win
     
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  10. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, Oscar won in my scorecard.
     
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  11. Napoleon

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    I had it a draw.
     
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  12. Thread Stealer

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    And the Quartey fight, in he could have lost the 12th round and still not lost the fight.

    And the Whitaker fight, which he won 9-3 one or 2 of the cards.
     
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