I will NEVER recognize a catchweight fight as a good win

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  1. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two fights come to mind... Pac vs Cotto and Floyd vs Canelo. I'll keep it really simple: Water. Both those fights were 2 lb catchweight fights, which equals 4 glasses of water. That is huge. For you or I to lose that right now is not such a big deal, but try getting in fighting shape, barely hydrated, and lose 2 more pounds. It would be all water, and you can't just recover in a couple hours, it can take up to a few days depending on how bad it is.

    I know some of you want to say that Canelo or Cotto were only a pound heavier than the catchweight in their previous fights... but that is still a full pound of water they are losing. If you still don't think it makes a difference look at both fighters since, Cotto never even went back to 147 and Canelo, even at 23, came in over the jr middle max weight against Anglo.

    Even worse, both catchweights were for titles. That is terrible.
     
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  2. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it taints the win to the degree you believe, but I can't disagree with you completely. Obviously losing an extra couple pounds will have an affect that can only be measured by the actual boxer. Us fans can only speculate.

    And I absolutely agree about titles. It should never happen.
     
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  3. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You've forgotten two more for titles. Pac v Cotto and Pac v Torrecampo (in which Pac was the bigger man and cheated on the scales)
     
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  4. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you raised the most important point in that it really depends on the fighter. Imo it affects all fighters but as you said each guy has a different response or tolerance if you know what I mean.
     
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  5. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If CWs are such a disadvantage to the bigger fighter, then you should see one sided results for he smaller fights when looking at the history of CW fights. This of course is not the case.
     
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  6. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is also the case of JMM who, through really poor training, bulked up the wrong way and looked lethargic in his CW fight. It does go both ways, Im just saying I personally don't like it and def not for a title.
     
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  7. gmurphy

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    pac had to wear heavier gloves thats a big disadwantage
     
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  8. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well anyone can complain about what rules they like or dislike. However, acting as if CWs are disproportionally advantageous to the smaller fighter is contrary to historic results of CW fights. In reality, both fighters are taking a risk.
     
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  9. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While I agree with the OPs sentiment that this wouldn't be acceptable in the old school.

    But if this is the only way 2 parties can come to an agreement I am happy to see fights get made at the end of the day.
     
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  10. ValentinePrince

    ValentinePrince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you recognize Mayweather-Marquez as a good win?
     
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  11. Thread Stealer

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    Catchweights have been done in the old school, just not as often.

    Do you count Whitaker-Chavez as a good win (draw officially) for Whitaker? Or is it a different case since Whitaker was the one who had to go down 2 lbs (not that he was a big WW anyway)

    I personally don't care much for catchweights, there's like a gazillion weight classes now.
     
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  12. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn't say it was contradictory either. ODH was KO'd by Hopkins yes, but SRL beat Lalonde, Lavigne beat Walcott and I'm sure there are more. Do you have (just for my own curiousity) some stats on that? Obviously I don't know everything, but when a guy has to cut or gain more weight than they are used to, its almost always bad news. Lookk how much it sped up Roy Jones almost instant decline.
     
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  13. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    of course not. juan had to move up 2 weight classes. he lost speed and power because of it. plus floyd didnt make the weight making it more of a disadvantage for juan
     
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  14. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Heres a list of 11 good ones;

    http://halestormsports.com/2012/05/...n-the-11-most-influential-catchweight-fights/

    The results are mixed. CWs are designed to take size out of the equation and allow for the better fighter to win. Yes, cutting weight can hurt you. At the same time though, going above your normal weight can also hurt you.
     
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  15. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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