I would like to see an Ortiz rematch

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Goran_, Nov 1, 2022.

  1. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

    May 31, 2013
    Pretty sure Wilder knocks him out even quicker this time. Sub 5th round.
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  2. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

    Aug 18, 2019
    Because Ortiz is no where near any of those fighters in level or skill.

    He knew Loma inside and out from sparring with him endlessly and had once chance, which coming in fast and hard in a real fight and he still lost. Loma is a level above him and made adjustments in real time to come on strong and win in the late rounds.

    What do you honestly think would happen if Loma had four months to makes adjustments in camp for a rematch? Ortiz can't really improve on that performance against Loma, however, Loma can.

    Besides, why have Ortiz rematch a talent like Loma who is one of the best still at his age? Instead he should face another top ten guy like Kambosos who he can beat, improve his game and challenge Loma again for the belts should he win, or whomever is champion then, when Ortiz is better. Why hand him another loss straight away?

    Now, are you honestly comparing Ortiz to any of the names you listed?

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  3. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 22, 2015
    Its common sense what I said, I never compared any of those guys to Ortiz, this is about a rematch between 2 guys who fought close and competitively throughout 12 rounds, what I named were instances where rematches were made after close fights,..you know...................... EXAMPLES.... it had nothing to do with comparing the fighters to ortiz. For you to come up with That assumption IS world class ridiculousness.
  4. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

    Aug 18, 2019
    Notice you left out any response to how the rematch would play out?

    Your thoughts on that? Do you honestly think it would do Ortiz career any good?

    Also, examples, should be relevant. None of yours were.
  5. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 13, 2016
    Loma won 2-3 rounds. Not required. Loma can't waste any fights on people he soundly beat at this point.

    Feed Haney to him
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  6. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 22, 2015
    It might. He caught LoMa at the right time. Loma is clearly now on the decline, he's not as sharp or as quick on his feet as he used to be, so being that Ortiz is a huge guy plus has a good skill set to back it up, I think its possible he'd produce another close fight.

    I'm one of the few guys on here that gave Ortiz his due leading into the fight, so I clearly saw something in the kid that would give Loma alot of problems and it turned out just like I thought it would, which was a hard fought decision win. I had it 115-113 Loma.

    Oh they were damn relevant.. SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE BRUH. In the rich history of the sport of boxing there have been rematches in close fights, that was the whole point. I keep on pitching em and you keep on missing em bro.
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  7. Zhuge Liang

    Zhuge Liang Active Member Full Member

    Jun 30, 2018
    The only way I can see a rematch between Loma and Ortiz happening is if Loma wins the world title (against Haney or other scenarios), then he is ordered to fight Ortiz on mandatory as the latter climb up ranks and win the eliminator bout.

    In other words, it can only be happening if both have no one good and marketable enough to fight with next. Seriously, I don't think Canelo and GGG wouldn't fight for the third time if there is more interesting prospect for them to fight that actually sells.
  8. Goran_

    Goran_ Active Member Full Member

    Sep 27, 2018
    I changed my mind :lol:... watched it again .. watched it 4 times now and here is my final score card and I think it reflects what genuinely went on... ortiz was game and use his jab effectively somewhat but although it was keeping loma honest it was hitting gloves a lot, it definitely nullified the ukrainians output to an extent... but the right man won, he forced the bigger man back , dictated the pace, landed the bigger & better shots and switched it up in the championship rounds.. look forward to seeing ortiz again he has a bright future, I suspect at welterweight lol...

    1 Ortiz more output even though much of it wasn't landing it was keeping loma from Throwing back although he did come back strong towards the end

    2 Loma .. Ortiz pumping out the jab a lot and keeping Loma circling and honest but its mostly landing on the gloves and loma lands the more effective harder shots here

    3 im saying even round...again ortiz pumping out that job a lot, it's effective at keeping Loma from getting off somewhat but it's hitting gloves mainly... Loma comes on strong late and staggers him with a left and finishes with another left towards the end of the round it depends what you prefer the work rate of ortiz or the better shots from Loma

    4 ortiz pretty dominant round landing much more and and using his strength and athleticism here, bullied Loma a bit there

    5 Loma.. starting strong here, landing clean and forcing ortiz back.. fairly dominant round..

    6 Loma starts strong again pushing him back landing to head and body.. ortiz is still game but he doesn't have the footwork or shot selection of Loma.. relies mainly on the jab.. Loma is a bag of tricks landing the better more effective shots , competitive round towards the end tho but overall Loma edged it for me

    7 ortiz ... both landing nice shots here not afraid to throw... tit for tat this round difficult one to score, edge ortiz tho but close

    8 Ortiz ... both throwing again here ortiz landing some cheeky shots too.. nice counters... physical round that, think ortiz bossed it more tho

    9 Loma.. starts well .. all over Ortiz.. beautiful shot selection ortiz is taking some big shots here.. still game though but looks a bit gassed now and mentally exhausted & looked outclassed there

    10 Loma.. ortiz has really fast hands but loma counters him nicely, stalking him now beautiful shot selection, Ortiz getting outclassed, ortiz still trying to be cute lands couple of well placed shots but fairly dominant Loma round

    11 Loma.. cracks him hard yet again snapping his head back, loma teeing off on him here having his way with him, vintage stuff.. dominate round it looks a Different Class now Ortiz getting more disheveled

    12 Loma.. Ortiz starts well but Loma quickly gets on top with nice hard shots.. Ortiz hear has been snapped back so many times in this fight now, loma bullying him.. more of the same basically the Ukrainian techician just has too much for the young kid.. dominant round

    Loma competitive hard fought but well deserved UD. Fair play to both.
  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2021
    So, everytime a boxer wins a close decision, people want a rematch. It would ruin his career.
  10. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 22, 2015
    They dont make em like they used to then.. right?
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  11. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

    May 9, 2012
    There have been lots of pointless rematches recently we dont need another one...Haney vs Loma next for the undisputed thats what ppl want to see.