ibeabuchi shortcomings

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  1. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ike had a lot of talent.good size,strength,power,good inside fighting,good variety of punches and combos.
    he was a little flat footed and slow of foot,but that was understandable cause of his size.
    now my question is how good a boxer he was?
    i mean he slugged it with prime tua and came on top,great win,but did he slugged cause he couldn't keep tua at bay?
    i mean,even boxers like hasim rahman outboxed tua with ease,not to mention lennox lewis...you saw for an example michael spinks fighting a disciplined fight and outboxing dwight qawi,wihout going in unnecessary exchanges...yet ike did a bit of boxing vs tua,but slugged it a lot.is that cause he just couldn't win the fight by keeping tua at the end of his jab and fighting disciplined?
    also here on forum some posters were saying ike had problems with boxers in the gym,i think kirk johnson was outboxing him in sparrings.
     
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1) Ike did not come up on top vs Tua. It was just the judges' decision. 2) Rahman did not easily outbox Tua, especially not in their 2nd fight. 3) According to lefthook31, Kirk Johnson used to floor Ibeabuchi in sparring sessions with right hands.
     
  3. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm Sure "The President" was very confident in his Strengh Power and Fitness, And That nobody could Outfight him even if it went the full course.. He had the Abilities to Maintain that "War Footing" He certainly must of had Something... Chris Byrd drove virtually everyone to Distraction with his Shiftyness and Space Perception... But not Freight Train Ike... Who Ran him Down quite Impressively... There was no Brakeman on Ike's Train, and ultimately it's his own fault that he ended up in the sidings... Physically the Full Package.. Physcologically... Some parts of the Jigsaw Missing I'm Afraid...
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he would've ended up like his countryman Sam Peter. Good physical talent but ultimately ruined by mental instability and indolence.
     
  5. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    I think this is absolutely correct. Ibeabuchi is one of the most overrated fighters, based on what he actually did - which is basically fight a bunch of no hopers, and then two fights against rated fighters, one of which was a highly debatable decision.

    And off of a minimal record like this, he's picked by some to beat some of the great HWs??? :nut It's ludicrous.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    mental shakiness and it would come out as he moved up in class
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Ike was an ascending talent capable of tracking down and taking out a prime Chris Byrd or going toe toe toe with an in shape David Tua. Who fought better in less than 20 fights in the past 50 years at heavyweight?

    Ike had solid skills. Great size, an A plus chin, very good power. An all time could have been. Far better than Sam Peter. He's in my top 50 at heavyweight.
     
  8. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As for shortcomings, I think he was definately mechanical. Like say Bruno. Throws the right punches but the sequence was the same and not much imagination. Or even worse than imagination would be a lack of ringsmarts. I think that is or was possible with him, we just didn't get a chance to find out.

    I think he needed a better corner when he moved up the ladder as well. Some more tutelage if he was a good listener and follower.

    Like mentioned already, footwork. The older he got the worse that would have become. Fortunately, he was fighting in a time when there was minimal emphasis on footwork.

    I wanted to see him go after Commander Vander or Bowe or Tyson at that stage and not Lennox. I thought a smart big guy like Lewis could cause the biggest hurdles. I think he gets his hand raised against the others. Maybe win some of those against some name guys and get a belt & then take on Lennox.
     
  9. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One thing...by getting sent to prison he avoided becoming an underperforming fatass, which was entirely possible when you consider his prison physique and the fact that he hadn't tasted real money yet.
     
  10. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is being psychotic a shortcoming?
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Being psychopathic can be a significant advantage in boxing, or boxing promotion!

    Sugar Ray Robinson and Don King are the cases in point!
     
  12. VVMM

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    - Lewis beat a fat out of shape Tua.
    Ibeabuchi beat the better version.
    Respect for the Ibeabuchi win.
    - The size isn't important. He's 6'2" but who cares?
    A good fighter can beat every type fighter(taller,shorter,heavier,
    fatter,faster etc.)
    The 5'11" Chagaev was the first who beat the 7' Valuev.
    And Valuev wasn't just a size based fighter.
     
  13. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis wasn't smart.He was clumsy. The fat mediocre Mercer outjabbed him.
    He had problem with Vitali. Skill by skill he wasn't better than
    Klitschko.
    Lewis wasn't smart against Bruno.
    I don't wanna write every example about Lewis but Lewis hadn't
    chin and Ibeabuchi could punch.
    The Mccall 1,Rahman 1 fights proved everybody had chance
    for destroying Lennox.
     
  14. Synth

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    Hard to judge such a small sample. Ike was physically gifted and didn't have any glaring issues. Top power, chin, good strength, very good stamina. Little bit of a plodder though, I could see a comparison with say a Mercer type of fighter if his training isn't on point. He wouldn't be disciplined enough to have a long reign but fares well h2h. The Byrd win was very good. the tua fight is harder to judge, he s****ped the win, where as tua was latterly found out to be very 1 dimensional. Having said that, mindset and tactics are very different when fighting someone who hasn't tasted defeat.
     
  15. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he had the intensity of a Tyson but was even less able to control it.