Ibeabuchi would have DESTROYED Tyson 96-99

Tua was very competitive for the first four rounds.

 

STOP, STOP, STOP, with you're ******ed HORSE ****. NO fighter is willing to DIE in a ring.

They show a certain kind of commitment to unarmed combat that the majority of people DON'T. That is all. NO more NO less.

People who are willing to DIE for their living, are folks like FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIRMEN, MEDICAL RESCUE operators. People that RUN INTO situations that everyu other FVCKER runs AWAY from. NOT some dickhead who rely's on judges, referees, and TRAINERS to save his skin if the going gets too tough.

FFS, stop eulogising about semi literate guys who get exploited by suits, because they are too fvcking STUPID to know it is happening to them.

 

Creating a distinction by saying that boxers rely on judges, referees, and trainers to save them is specious; military and public safety officers have their own safeguards, including backup, bulletproof vests, air support, and more. None of them particularly want to die, and they have safeguards and there are things they won't do if they're judged to be too dangerous. But they're willing to accept the risk of death.

As are boxers.

On the other hand, with respect to Ibeabuchi and the post you were responding to, that doesn't make him/them a better fighter, necessarily. Duk Koo Kim was "willing to die" in the sense of determination that SKS is talking about. As he scrawled on the hotel lampshade, "Kill or be killed." He fought like it, too. It didn't win him the Mancini fight.

 

With respect you are talking nonsense.

The greatest example of people willing to DIE for their beliefs, and other humans was the tragedy of the WTC in New York.

The people who ran IN to the second building had ALREADY seen the first one collapse, but they still went IN there trying to save other peoples lives.

If you seriously want to equate that kind of courage with an irrelevant sport like boxing, there is nothing further to say to you.

As for your observation " so are boxers " that is naive at best, and stupid at worst.

Why the hell do you think they had seconds, and referees in the first place? To see what was known as " fair play " is why.

Otherwise these people would have met in the middle of nowhere, on their own, and fought to the death. As they did in Ancient Greek ,and Roman times.

 

Ibeabuchi is a very interesting topic because I think there is a possibility he was as good as some think he was but at the same time their isn't substantial proof. At the time he fought Tua, Tua was at his very best. I believe at that time both Ibeabuchi and Tua may have been the best active heavyweights in the world aside from possibly Lennox Lewis and it made for a great fight. The workrate from both fighters was outstanding as well as the heart and determination. It was a very close fight which could've been scored either way. Then Ibeabuchi's next great performances when he destroyed Chris Byrd who was a good fighter in his own right proved Ibeabuchi was the real deal but was he good enough to beat Lewis? or even Tyson? theres no way to know. I would pick Ibeabuchi to beat Tyson of 96 to 99 but you never know, I feel David Tua at that time was a more devastating force then that version of Tyson but again that can't be proven because Tua never took on any of the great fighters aside from maybe Ibeabuchi at that time. Its a real shame what happened with Ibeabuchi because if he would've been around it would've added a lot of excitement to the heavyweight division at least I think it would've.

 

I suspect that the average active professional boxer is more likely to die in the course of his chosen profession than the average police officer is in the course of his, and that's while spending far less time in e ring than the police officer spends at the job. "Relevance" has nothing to do with it.

 

There is some of the most ridiculous **** on this thread, as comical as the worst of the General. I've interviewed veterans of Normandy and Iwo Jima who looked like aged newspaper boys, a guy who shot his way out of a Viet Kong prison camp, leaving a trail of bodies, who you wouldn't think twice about as he served you Pho, yet some dickweed is going contend that he could tell, by the look in a fighter's eye, that he was ready to die for winning a fight. Enough, please.

 

He does

 

...Except he didn't. He did against McNeely true, but in the vast majority of fights he didn't put up the traditional staredown that fighters do at the pre-fight instructions. I honestly don't know where you get that from. Please point to specific instances of this.

All fighters fear losing, anyone who claims otherwise is being dishonest.

There is an interesting bit in Tyson's new book where he is scheduled to fight Andrew Golota, and lying in bed the night before the fight, Tyson is wondering to himself why he is getting in the ring with a huge, crazy looking guy like Golota.
At this stage of his career he was a full-blown pot-head, so he lit up a joint. Apparently his whole attitude changed right there and then, and he though to himself, '**** that *****.'
...Just an interesting bit of useless information.

 

ignore list:hi: