Ibeabuchi's Use of PEDs

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Was Ike Ibeabuchi on steroids?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One guy who was clearly on something in Ibeabuchi's day was Chris Byrd. Chris fought as a 165-pounder in the amateurs, and was a heavyweight a year later. When he was nearing the end of his career, he dropped back down below 175. Today, he's still thin.

    But look at him versus Ibeabuchi in particular. He's nearly as thick as Ike.

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  2. Unforgiven

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    It's perhaps a strange as hell growth spurt, as I said, but not necessarily "suspicious" or incriminating at all, taken in isolation.

    But when you combine it with the fact he's a boy being professionally groomed and prepared by an obssessed trainer (and a whole team) to be a monster and a heavyweight champion, then it certainly shouldn't surprise anyone if it happened to be some hormonal drugs involved somewhere to assist in the master plan.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    Of course they knew what steroids were.

    Tyson has actually told stories about Cus saying things like, "I wish you were bigger, I wish you had bigger shoulders like Ken Norton"
    Cus was no idiot. He would have heard about steroids.
    He would have heard about cattle farmers pumping cattle and bulls full of drugs too, to make them bigger. And Cus basically viewed Tyson as his to mold into a monster, an animal.
     
  4. ticar

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    If they were smart enough to give him steroids, they would also let him do weight lifting.
    The guys Tyson was surrounded didn't know anything about lifting weights and steroids... He was old school as far as training regime as they come
     
  5. Birmingham

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    I'm guessing Tyson would be 240 after retiring if he was a legitimate 220 fighter. Soon as he come off the roids imo he shrunk back to near natural weight. The Tyson that people see as a 16/17 year old in photo's was already introduced to it..Could be wrong, but its the most natural explanation for me. He probably weighs now what he weighed as a teen. Mental when you think about it !
     
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  6. ticar

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    I don't think Cus, Rooney or Atlas knew anything about steroids... They were very old school, they probably thought weights are bad for a fighter, let alone steroids...
     
  7. choklab

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    And in prison he shrank quite a bit too. He went in big and came out small.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't have to lift weights to get benefits from steroids, the two don't go hand-in-hand.
     
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  9. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Very true...The evidence is there u reckon ?
     
  10. ticar

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    Roids are used for strength, so doing them without lifting weights is kinda wasted potential.
    Not saying some people don't do it like that though
     
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  11. Birmingham

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    It stinks of Cus trying like no other trainer to maximise everything at all costs. Tyson wanted a father figure to please, Cus wanted the youngest heavyweight champ ever
     
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  12. Wass1985

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    Not at all, they are used because they help you train harder and longer and are great for recovery.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    But steroids isn't "training", is it ?
    Cus trained Tyson to be a boxer. He didn't need him lifting weights, using energy on that. He had him boxing and beating people up in the gym.

    But Cus also wanted him to grow big.
    It's crazy to say people didn't know there were drugs that could make a boy grow bigger.

    People say "Cus was old school", but he was also crazy and always had crazy new ideas. He once said he could train Jim Jacobs (who was an all-time great 'US handball' player before a boxing manager) to beat Archie Moore. D'amato was a mad scientist type of guy, a bit of a nut-case.

    He would have known about steroids. Anyone with any interest in sport or science would have had some awareness that things like that existed and were being used to great effect.

    I'm not saying Tyson was given steroids by Cus.
    But it wouldn't surprise me at all.
     
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  14. Barberboy

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    You might be right it IS hard to imagine cuss Rooney and Atlas being clued up experts on steroids. I wouldn't rule out Jacobs and Cayton getting outside help when it came to making sure there life long project 'grew' into a heavyweight however.
     
  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good post. I thought that Tyson blowing up in weight late in his career and after retiring was common knowledge but I guess not.