IBF Mandatory Filip Hrgovic denied title shot for the 4th time - IBF president confirms

While i agree with you, but Parker did not ducked Hrgovic at all. He had a legitimate injury. Hrgovic didn't wanted to wait, and gets the Zhang fight, and obviously Parker get his chance against Joyce for a lot more money. I already debunked that story plenty of time.

While i agree you shouldn't be greedy and earn your spot. Fighting Hrgovic is first a great risk, and second brings no money for his opponents.
It's one thing to duck a title shot or fighting for a title, and another for mandatory spot, that is not certain. And you also have to wait years for it.
And we see that Joyce lost his, Zhang lost his, Whyte to Povetkin, and so on.
Title shots is something completely different, and then we can blame people for not taking this fights.
And it's not like Parker faces a lesser opponent in any ways.

 

Didn't IBF order anyone from the top 15 to fight Hrgovic and everyone refused? What exactly is a fighter to do is everyone is intentionally avoiding them or freezing them out?

 

I don't think it's about benefitting fighters.

I've read posts on here from people saying that they want to see the titles split up again so that someone else can benefit from wearing a belt.

It's crazy.

I would rather see the person who most deserves to challenge Usyk (in my opinion Fury) be the next one to fight him.

But the IBF have got themselves into an avoidable situation involving a less deserving fighter that could lead to the main titles being split up just weeks after they were all unified for the first time in 25 years.

As for Dubois, there was controversy in his fight with Usyk but he lost and it would still look ridiculous if Usyk has the belt taken from him and it ends up with the guy he successfully defended it against nine months ago.

No boxing fan in their right mind will regard anyone other than Usyk as the rightful champion. We have too many belts and the only thing to do is to make the best of a bad, messy situation and let Fury vs Usyk 2 go ahead for all four major belts.

I think the IBF would have come out of this with more credibility if they had publicly stated upfront that they would let Fury and Usyk have their two fights and whoever is the IBF champion after that would have to face Hrgovic next.

 

But the problem is that Fury vs Usyk is a two fight deal.

To sanction a fight that involves a two fight deal and then strip the winner for honouring that deal is crazy.

They will lose credibility in taking the title off the guy everyone recognises as the rightful champion.

They should have had the foresight to agree to both fights taking place and whoever held the IBF after that would be required to fight Hrgovic next.

That would have avoided a lot of this mess.

Who knows? Maybe the Saudis will give Hrgovic some money to step aside and let this whole thing quieten down. They certainly won't miss it.

 

It would be mental if the IBF to strip Usyk.

Usyk had a two fight deal with Fury.

AJ isn't a mandatory and will probably face Fury if he continues to fight, or Wilder. So he won't be on Usyks radar.

Zhang has lost to Hrgovic already so that would be a bad look.

Hrgovic v Dubois is good because it combines two mandatories.

What makes sense is the IBF to give Usyk a negotiation deadline once he beats Fury again.

Kabayel v Parker would be a great fight in the meantime.

Let's keep the top guys fighting each other.

 

Your talking about an ideal scenario but the sport doesn’t work like this, how is it fair for boxers like Whyte or Hrgovic to wait 1000 days for a title shot, if champions were fighting 3-4 times are year no problem but Fury the former WBC champ had two fights in 18 months one fight with an MMA fighter

All fans know Usyk is number one and doesn’t need the IBF belt for this distinction but to expect boxers who have fought their mandatory, paid their sanctioning fees and waited patiently to then wait up to another year to satisfy some internet fans it’s stupid and unfair on the boxers who’s primes only last a few years furthermore there’s no guarantee of either Fury or Usyk fighting Hrgovic next year if Fury wins there most likely will be a third fight so where do you draw the line

 

Your way discourages unifications.

There's been exactly two fights since Hrgovic won his mandatory spot. Since then he faced McKean and Mori. Meanwhile Usyk faced Dubois and Fury.

It's not like it's even close to a Benavidez situation.

 

Exactly.

The IBF wNt their share of the biggest purse in boxing. If the fight wasn't so big they'd enforce their rule.

 

The sport doesn't work like this because we have too many belts.

It isn't helped by fact that:

1) the IBF didn't have the foresight to see this issue coming and how it would affect their credibility.

2) the WBC allowed Fury to take the mick since beating Dillian Whyte. They should have stripped him of the title for inactivity.

Given the situation we have now, I would draw the line after the second Fury vs Usyk fight as there is no deal for a third bout.

Whoever holds the IBF belt after the Fury vs Usyk rematch can then defend the undisputed title against Hrgovic.

At least the public would have seen what they were hoping and expecting to see - Fury and Usyk fighting twice.

A third Fury vs Usyk fight could take place after the Hrgovic bout (assuming Hrgovic loses) if the rematch ended in a draw or a win for Fury.

The situation is so complicated now that, in the event of a fighter holding multiple belts, the organisations should get together and agree a way to proceed.

It would be a long document detailing what would happen in this, that or the other scenario but I think there would be consistency and it would be in the best interests of the sport.

 

Boxing fans rage every time belts get separated.

Boxing fans rage when belts stay together.

Unpleasable like the petulance of a spoiled child?


To be honest with you guys, the IBF is an 80s belt. I don't really care about them. Their history and lineage goes back to the 80s ... whoo.

The WBC and WBA kick off their lineages with Jacks Johnson and Dempsey. Having their belts is like having a piece of history and belonging to a long line of greats. I realize they take the most liberties but really that's only because they can not because the IBF or WBO is some bastion of moral fiber. The 80s fellas can't afford to make commemorative belts so they don't and PR themselves like as if they're better than or different from the OGs but they aren't. They too have interim. Because that's what they can afford at the moment.

So I really do not give any more ****s about the IBF or WBO than I am forced to.

While I'm at it, Ring's a piece of trash belt that represents a trash magazine founded by a trash historian. You might think, funny glowing wizard jabroni you using harsh words for one of the most beloved and respected figures in boxing history. Damn skippy broski, I am. Nat made up a huge chunk of his history. Not, we've yet to uncover what he's referring to, we do have the sources and can confirm Nat did stuff like found out about a name that existed once and made up the rest. When he was correct it is because plagiarized the Police Gazette and reprinted Richard K Foxx's stories. It should be said Foxx was hardly correct on many things and even his mistakes, be them factual or grammatical, find themselves plain in the pages of Black Dynamite. That mag youse guys love so much was just a poorly done reprint of earlier poorly done men's mag journalism with the added feature of ratings off the coin of promoters because the whole entire point was to have a platform to sell ratings to promoters on. What is it today? Same GD thing. New names and dates, same purpose. Can not believe people still respect think trash or the trash "historian" who started it all.

TBRB I don't really have much to say about. A toothless rating system is always kind of meaningless but as far as I know they have no seedy backstory to undermine their choices.

Lineal is a story of lies, pretty much every single time it's told. I may write up a thread on it with 0 retroactive application. As in the history of the term lineal in boxing. It is fair to call John L lineal champion but it also kind of implies, or at least it seems people have learned it this way, that John ever once heard the term lineal in reference to his championship in his life. Which just isn't true. So I think maybe people need to learn what lineal is because that would influence their take on the idea of lineal greatly and I think people would be less inclined to see it as some grand title with grand history behind it. It's a made up 70s fan theory really.

 

Usyk beats fury again, hrgovic beats dubois and loses to aj.
So usyk vs aj nr. 3 for the big money

 

Or...

Instead of having a long, drawn out document that tries to cover every possible scenario, the order a unified champion faced mandatory challengers could be decided by prioritising them by which belt the champion won first.

And if the champion had won more than one of his belts on the same fight then priority would be given to which belt the guy he defeated won first.

For example, in the case of Canelo:

The WBO would have priority over the IBF.

The WBC would have priority over the WBO.

The WBA would have priority over the WBC because Callum Smith already held the WBA belt when Canelo beat him when the vacant WBC title was also on the line.

So, when it came to fighting mandatory challengers, the organisations would have to wait their turn accordingly.

Amongst his other defences, Canelo would fight the WBA’s mandatory challenger, then the WBC’s, then the WBO’s and then the IBF’s.

Then the cycle would repeat itself for as long as he remained champion.

On a general point, any unification bouts would take priority but could only be part of a maximum two fight deal before the next mandatory challenger on the list had his turn.

This way, none of the boxing organisations would get preferential treatment regarding their mandatory challengers.

Problem solved.

 

If I had to bet on it, I think I'd put my money on Fury for the rematch.

I think he made more errors that be can addressed than Usyk did - showboating, right hand leads, lazy combinations, low guard.

The last three contributed to what happened in round nine.

 

You'll never catch me doing that.

I never took Fury's claim to be the lineal champion seriously when he returned to the ring in 2018.

He hadn't fought for two and a half years and he'd put on ten stone.

It would have made more sense to reset things when Joshua fought Klitschko.

AJ beats Klitschko and becomes 'the man'.

Ruiz beats AJ, becoming the man who beat the man and the lineal champion.

AJ beats Ruiz, becoming the lineal champion for the first time.

Usyk beats AJ and has remained the lineal champion ever since.

 

Fury was in top shape after two training camps. Usyk grinded him down and tired him out. Fury won't be in the same shape like the first fight, I really think he will come heavy and usyk will probably stop him this time. Fury looked utterly beaten.

Usyk took his uppercut, jab and bodypunches away. How will Fury adapt???