IBF Mandatory Filip Hrgovic denied title shot for the 4th time - IBF president confirms

Nah, that "injured elbow" was a load of old cobblers.
They didn't give that reason to the IBF, and he lost his ranking.

The trouble with the injury story, is his manager Higgins told everyone he didn't take the fight with Hrgovic because the money wasn't enough and so they were pursuing Ruiz Jr. instead.
The IBF likely didn't appreciate that.

Both Ortiz and Parker suspiciously came out with injury excuses in response to the IBF, in contrast to Joyce who was legitimately injured before the IBF came knocking.

 

Maybe it was a load of old cobblers but Parker does have a long history of elbow problems. He had surgery on both elbows before the Joshua fight then again in Dec 2020 he has surgery again on his elbow before the first Chisora fight and then again in that fight with Chisora injured his elbow again which delayed the Chisora rematch. Wouldn't have been a shock if he injured his elbow again in the rematch with Chisora which would have side lined him in early 2022 when the fight with Hrgovic was offered.

But in the end money was a big problem for Hrgovic securing an opponent for hi IBF eliminator. As the top ranked guy for the IBF it meant he would always take the lions share of any purse under the IBF's rules and no fighter who was regularly making more money would accept taking less than they normally do to fight Hrgovic for a mandatory shot that would take years to come around.

 

Both things are not mutually exclusive.
What Parker manage says:

Why can't Hrgovic get a fight?
Parker's decision leaves Hrgovic still unable to find a willing opponent to decide the status of IBF mandatory challenger.

Higgins said: "There is an economic problem with Hrgovic.

"When we built up Parker, we built a fan base in New Zealand.

"We funded, paying big money, to stage Parker vs Andy Ruiz Jr in New Zealand.

"Does Hrgovic have a home fan base anywhere?

"He has attained a high ranking but has no fan base so the money on offer is laughable for somebody like Parker.

"Also, this fight is at the back of the eliminator queue because the other belts must be sorted out.

"So Parker could fight Hrgovic for a payday that would barely cover his training costs, win, then sit out for a year waiting for his shot."

When will Parker return?
"Parker explained to me that he has elbow trouble," Higgins said. "He has had two major elbow surgeries and it is an ongoing problem. They get sore.
"He wants to go to a specialist before he starts punching or doing weights again.

"He also had a badly burst eardrum. He is a bit battered.

"So we declined the eliminator and explained those points.

"We wish Mr. Hrgovic well and I sympathise with his situation."



Parker for real had injury, but they didn't want the fight, cause there weren't any money in it.

Now the main problem is the IBF rules, cause Hrgobivc was higher ranked, he was obligated to 60% of the purse split between the 2.
Do you believe that Parker or any other ex Champion who is also a way bigger name will accept to get 40% against Hrgovic, who while i like very much, and like you see in my previous post defend and 100% think he deserve his chance?

Zhang - Hrgovic purse was 650k. Hrgovic get 390k., while Zhang 260k.

Parker vs Joyce was 6m. purse split. Parker took the larger part at 3.2m., while Joyce took 2.8m.

Both fights brings the same end result for Parker, aka mandatory spot.
It's an absolutely no brainer for Parker.

 

I can remember Real Madrid and Liverpool meeting in the final of the Champions League a couple of years ago. Liverpool were the favourites, so when Real Madrid won it, UEFA naturally arranged for them to play again in the next final. We needed to see those juggernauts of the sports going toe to toe once more. Obviously that last part is a joke. Liverpool slipped away, and aren’t the same team, and football is a serious sport. As is tennis, and most other sports.

Tyson deserved a shot at undisputed because he was one of two belt holders. Now he is not, there is no reason to delay the mandatory challenger getting a crack at the belt.

To put it into perspective, the mandatory has been put on hold for a guy that, in the last 5 years, has fought 5 people. One was a novice that nearly caused an upset, and the last guy beat him.

 

AJ fought Ngannou, for the exact same reason. This wasn't my words, this was Eddie Hearn words, and what logic was.
And AJ is going to fight in Wembley in September, unless something major happen or injury occurs. And the fighter will be either Hrgovic or Dubois. So unless after tomorrow the plans change for no reason, i was 100% correct on what i was saying.

As everyone expect/expected Usyk to be stripped after Usyk - Fury. Again you missed the whole point, and the official statement of the IBF that after Fury - Usyk 1, Usyk is bound to defend his title against the IBF mandatory, which is Hrgovic, without having a fight in-between.

AJ had 2 options, stays inactive or fight Ngannou. You also are missing the plot, as it's the Saudis that are offering the fights.

AJ - Hrgovic is a big fight, but only for the title. Otherwise it's not so big of a fight.

As far as the other fighters that based on your opinion and i agree partially if not fully, this is the game of Boxing.
I didn't see anyone crying why the guys i mention get their mandatory/title shots, not facing anyone of a note.
But now all of a sudden there is a crying of why Hrgovic should get a title shot, cause he is mandatory, based on the iBF rules.

While we may like it or not, this is the game of Boxing.

And again if we are honest, Fury didn't deserve the first Undisputed shot, and never in a million year deserve to become a Undisputed in just 1 fight, as he already lost his title, and has nothing to offer.
2 shots at Undisputed for stalling the HW division for 2 years, how the f**** is that fair ?
If he wasn't such a coward we would have already seen Usyk - Fury 2 time, and the fight was supposed to happen in February 2023. Usyk would have been in way better shape and not so much declined, and the rematch would have happen already as well.
And this year, aka 2024, Usyk could have defended his belts against Hrgovic, whoever is up to, and then retire.
And we could have finally see Fury - AJ if Fury is a man enough, but no 2 years wasted for fighting Chisora for a 3rd time and Ngannou, so Usyk could be aged and declined even more.

Usyk gains nothing of staying Undisputed, the only one that wins of this situation is Fury.
And they stale the division even more.

Also Fury already delayed the fight that was supposed to happen in October, and now it's December. What guarantee we had this fight is actually going to happen?
So i will never agree that Usyk should keep his belt, so sorry to disagree. This is one of the major problems in Boxing, and rewarding this attitude is just wrong.

Strip Usyk, and put the IBF title for AJ - Hrgovic in September. IBF belt hasn't been defended in 4 years. No more excuses and exemption.

 

You wasn't correct. You said the inf was being stripped and AJ v Hrgovic was next for the IBF belt, that hasn't happened. You was wrong.

You again miss the point, if Usyk is allowed to defend his title against Fury, there is no reason to strip Usyk unless he then refuses to face Hrgovic/Dubois next. AJ doesn't come into it.

People don't like seeing belts stripped, that's the difference here. You don't want Hrgovic to fight for the belt, you want it stripping and Hrgovic v AJ for the belt.

Usyk gains from staying undisputed as it increases his legacy every successful fight he has.

It has been defended for 4 years. Pulev was a mandatory defence in 2020. Next was Usyk which was also a mandatory defence. Next was AJ which was a rematch. Next was Dubois which was a mandatory defence. Next was Fury which was a unification. Next will be Fury which will be a rematch. After that it can be defended against the IBF again as it's their turn.

So Usyk beats Fury, then defends against IBF interim champion Hrgovic. Everyone wins in that situation.

 

Those injuries were in the past tense. It amounted to elbows that "get sore". Not really a legitimate reason for not taking a fight, as no fighter enters the ring 100%

The money issue, I understand though.

And I agree both fights were paths to a mandatory shot, though WBO would be after IBF

He swerved the fight, but I understand his thinking

 

1. It is not right for boxers to have rematch clauses in their contracts
2. It is not right for boxing organisations to strip fighters of their belts within a month or so after
3. Usyk Fury is bigger than any other boxing contest and ought to be undisputed
4. All various 8 belts are a joke for 8 different reasons
5. Just come together and have 1 belt

 

I respectfully disagree when it comes to the injury. Parker had 2 surgery on both if his elbows before the AJ fight, and he had 2 more injuries after that.
If you actually look at the time Hrgovic fight was offered, you will see Parker took almost a year off Boxing, when prior and after he was very active and was fighting 3-4 times per year.
So Parker elbow injuries is no excuse and a legit injure that he needs to be fixed.
Also earning 3.2 mil. compare to 290k. is 10x. + more money. That is not even comparable.

 

You can say i wasn't correct only if AJ doesn't fight Hrgovic/Dubois next. Otherwise i was correct. As far as i know AJ didn't have any fight after Ngannou, so when i say that AJ will fight Hrgovic next, my prediction is on it's way to happen. Unless something major happen, which can, as this is Boxing.

Still that is irrelevant, as i was giving the reason why AJ is fighting Ngannou, and not Hrgovic. This was the whole point of discussion.

And you are bringing this now, cause you write a bunch of nonsenses and lies, and don't want to admit it. Again quote me where i say AJ is the mandatory ? And your IBF corruption nonsenses.

As far as Usyk goes, how about we wait for IBF to come with an official statement first, and then we can talk about it, h?

The whole point of discussion, and you turn it into something completely else is you missed the IBF statement before the Fury - Usyk 1 fight, where IBF has clearly stated that they allow the Undisputed to go, and give Usyk an exemption, as he needed to fight his mandatory before the fight, which was schedule back in December 2023, and took place 6 months later. Anyway i digress, IBF statement stated we allow you to go for Undisputed, but you had to defend your title against our mandatory next, without any more passes, and in-between fights.

Again we talk s**** all we wants, but as long as IBF doesn't come with their official response, we are chatting bollocks.

You think Usyk should be given an exemption, which is exactly what is wrong with the sport and why the HW division was beyond s**** for 2+ years, cause WBC was given Fury a free time to f**** up with everyone, and MMA guy to get a free shot at Fury, with zero fights.

And no i don't want Hrgovic to be gifted the belt. He will fight Dubois, and if he beats him, then he will have to fight AJ for that belt anyway most probably. So that is a 100% deserved a title challenge.

By IBF rules i had no problem with Usyk say Fury bye, bye i beat you i will face my mandatory - Hrgovic.
But he ain't doing this, right? That's why i don't even bring this question, as it's irrelevant.

Usyk gains nothing as staying Undisputed, as he ain't 25, and it's a matter of time before he gets stripped. He gains absolutely nothing, as the big gain was to become Undisputed.
The only person that gains everything is Fury, and he 100% doesn't deserve it. And not just him. No one should have a crack at Undisputed title, unless he brings something to the table.
Fury - Usyk was Unification fight, both had something to offer, now Fury has none, it's that simple.

And i'm 200% sure that Usyk going to retire win or lose after Fury. He actually should have retired already, but stupid move from him. He is 38 a shadow of himself and has no business fighting in a division that is not natural to him.

 

Yes you were wrong.

The reason I brought it up is because you get so attacking when someone disagrees with you, and you claim they aren't being logical, so I'm pointing out that your claims aren't always correct in the vain hope you will start to display a bit of hubris and communicate like a normal person.

Yes I think IBF should allow Usyk to defend his championship Vs Fury. The last two years have been good for the division. Usyk has beaten AJ, Fury has beaten Wilder, the winners have faced to unify all the belts. That's what boxing is about.

You don't want Hrgovic to have to beat the champion for the belt, that is the problem.

The last paragraph is the worst you've ever written. The highest ranking heavyweights should get a crack at the undisputed championship. That's the whole point of boxing. Usyk can beat Fury and then next year face Hrgovic, Parker and Kabayel. Or he can retire and ride off into the sunset. But the decision should be his and his alone.

 

No i wasn't wrong. I was actually one of the very few that literally foresee the whole situation back to when Fury firstly start ducking Usyk.
I predict he will fight Chisora, then the Ngannou fight, and that he will try to age Usyk out, before ever step a foot in the ring.
In the meantime i predicted exactly how AJ - Wallin and AJ - Ngannou will plays out.

I also predicted that Fury will delay the fight with Usyk when it was signed, and he did so, not once by twice.
Just by that alone he doesn't deserve another crack at the Undisputed, and not i'm not buying your false narrative, you want Usyk to be Undisputed for one reason only, Fury to get another crack at Undisputed, nothing else. You ain't fooling me.

And i completely disagree with you, and you had to be mad biased to claim Fury deserve this. He beats Wilder 3 years ago, and since then stalled the division, ducking Usyk, and delaying the Undisputed, making everyone to wait him, and took easy fight after easy fight.
He also lost to Ngannou was gifted. He also was gifted a SD loss to Usyk.

Based on that alone he doesn't deserve another crack at Undisputed. Hell he never deserve to face Usyk ever again, let alone another Undisputed crack. I should not even waste my time explaining all the lies and twisting the reality he and Frank Warren trying to do in the meantime, and trying to put the blame onto Usyk why the fight hasn't happen yet.
Just for that Usyk is the biggest **** on the planet for giving Fury another shot. Just by that.
He lost me completely as a fan based on that. He let himself and his team gets bullied and make a fool's of themselves following the Fury script. He should have returned the favor, and shows a character, and not allow himself to get bullied anylonger.

As far as Hrgovic - AJ, and the IBF we will understand very shortly what they will do.

They will either follow their rules or break their rules, which is what corruption is, as they already stated mandatory is next for Usyk or he has to vacate.
It's Usyk problem, not IBF or Hrgovic.

 

This is your problem, you think you have some gift and no one else understands boxing if they disagree with you. Like I said, learn some hubris.

Usyk will beat Fury again, I don't understand your issue. Unless your a Fury fan and your scared your hero will lose again.

It's not corruption, it's common sense. Usyk can beat Fury then defend against Hrgovic.

 

And he can do that, without hold the belt hostage.
So Let's agree to disagree.
The only reason i quoted you, cause you missed the IBF previous statement and ultimatum to Usyk nothing else. No need to go in useless arguing. Good day sir and enjoy the boxing night.

 

Um... Parker didn't take near a year off boxing at all. And the inactivity wasn't to do with an injury that would stop him fighting Hrgovic.

He declined the fight with Hrgovic on 6th January 2022.Then, he was expressing frustration that he couldn't get the fight over the line with Joyce in April 2022. The fight date for Joyce was originally scheduled as 2nd July 2022.
That's a 6 month difference.
He pulled out of the first Joyce date not because of injury worries, but because he didn't like Warren's deal on the table and so signed with Boxxer.

So, I'm not sure where the idea that Parker took almost a year off has come from. Plus he was training in Morcambe with Team Fury through from New Year through to April of that year.

Compare to Zhang, the fight with Hrgovic was announced on February 24th 2022. They fought on August 21st.
That's also a 6 months difference.
Now granted there was a delay because Hrgovic's father passed away, but that points to flexibility on the part of the IBF as well.

So I'm going to stand on my opinion that he swerved the fight with Hrgovic because everything points to that.