Ibragimov must KO Holyfield, a UD is not enough

Ibragimov is an Olympic silver medalist who had a great Cuban fighter in serious trouble, he also is a WBO titlist who put on a Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes 1 type of boxing and most likely could have gotten Briggs out in the 10th if he would have been willing to risk standing in front of Briggs for one or two more seconds but he chose to not give Briggs a chance of throwing a hard counter punch. The Russian has shown a pretty good chin taking super hard shots from Briggs, Whitaker and Corey Sanders ( in sparring ). He has excellent hand speed which is going to be a huge problem for Holy at this point of his career, he sneaks in damaging punches and he likes going to the body. I think judging him only by the Austin fight is misleading. Look at how he handled Briggs, Mora and Whitaker. Ibragimov is kind of a mixture of Jerry Quarry and Vassily Jirov and that's good enough to put him in the top five today. I don't think SI can beat Wladimir Klitschko but I'd say he's at least even with Chagaev and probably better than Maskaev. Even in his prime Holyfield would have a serious challenge with Ibragimov but now in the twilight of his career I think he has little chance vs Ibragimov.

 

You see what I mean about how overrated this guy is. Prime Evander wouldve DESTROYED Sultan.

atsch

If you had just left it how it was...you were on your way to giving him a little too much credit, but not blowing it too far out of proportion....but that last one....wow dude...wow.

 

Watch Holy's fights with Bert Cooper and Dwight Braxton Quawi and tell me he gets an instant walkover on Ibragimov and I would laugh in your face. I'd think Holy would win but not nearly as easily as you do. In fact, I think SI would push a prime Holy just as hard as Quawi did.

 

:deal :yep

 

yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious myself; top international competitors in real competition, not just knocking down tomato cans and handpicked opponents. However, the way amatuer boxing has gone I think it won't prepare fighters for professional fighting like it used to prepare them.

 

I saw Ibragimov fight in the Olympics and I am surprised the referee allowed the fight to continue. Ibragimov carved that Cuban like turkey but I was impressed by the way the Cuban came back on points. SI has a style very similar to Jirov, another gold medalist.

Also if Michael Moorer gave Evander some problems years ago Ibragimov would have given him all he could handle.

 

Now that the little love in with Sultan is over I will chime back in.

Let me start out by saying Sultan is a good fighter. Good skills. Nice power. Good chin.

But Evander in his prime was LEAPS and BOUNDS better in every way. Better skills (I hope NEITHER of you are even questioning this as truth???). More proven power (Sultan could prove that wrong over time...). A much better chin (Evander's chin in his prime is legendary). Defense.... Speed.... Accuracy.... Not many smarter fighters than Evander either.

Fact is....Sultan is not the same type of fighter as a Qawi. Qawi was a warrior who pressured and pressured...that is how he gave Holyfield problems. I suggest you go watch his fights with Qawi. Which by the way, were fantastic, fantastic fights.

To even mention a man like Sultan, who hasnt even fought a great fighter yet. Hasnt even had 25 bouts yet. Even had trouble with the immortal Ray FREAKIN' Austin. would give a prime Evander Holyfield....one of the ten greatest HWs of all time (and one of the five greatest CWs of all time) problems is insane.

AND IT SHOWS HOW HORRIBLY OVERRATED THE MAN IS ON THIS SITE!!!!

 

LMAO....

Why do people on this site get so ****in angry when ya say something that they dont like about their binky???

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First I gotta tell ya....I dont think you understand what I am trying to say....the original quote I brought up is about a prime Evander. Toney never fought a PRIME EVANDER. So NO a subpar fighter never hurt a PRIME Evander Holyfield (and BTW, Toney would DESTROY Austin).

Fact, Sultan is a good fighter with a great amateur background. Holyfield is a GREAT fighter with a great amatuer background (how is using facts to back up a point mean that I am nuthugging the past BTW...whatever....).

I dont have ANY problem with saying this version of Evander would have problems with Sultan. I have a problem with saying a PRIME Evander Holyfield...one of the greatest fighters EVER to step in the ring (people always forget how utterly incredible he was at CW)...would have problems with Sultan (hell that guy that you were going back and forth with said he would stop him early....yet he didnt even stop Ray Austin early...facts and history dont even back that up).

Sultan has a nice win over Briggs...another overrated fighter. But this overrated fighter is also past his prime (which wasnt THAT good to begin with) and suffers from severe asthma...which limits him to fighting for maybe a total of two rounds out of twelve. Honestly, he beat the worst out of all the belt holders...and I really dont care how many Briggs nuthuggers there were on here....like I said, on this site, there are still Ruiz nuthuggers :huh ...

Sultan vs Holyfield would be a mismatch. He wouldnt outbox Holyfield. He wouldnt be faster. He wouldnt be stronger. He wouldnt be able to keep Evander off him. Every fighter that gave Evander problems in his prime had an advantage in some way....

As for your question about Evanders chin being much better than Sultan's??? You serious? Evander took shots from some of the biggest punchers EVER and kept coming....he has proven his chin. Who, other than the few shots that Briggs threw (which is why I said Sultan has a good chin btw....god to you even read what I wrote...or did you just see that I think Sultan is OVERRATED ON THIS SITE and you saw red???) has he fought that could hurt a PRIME Holyfield.

Like I said, I think Sultan is a nice fighter. But to put him in the same breathe as a PRIME EVANDER HOLYFIELD IS TO SERIOUSLY OVERRATE HIM (like I said, people on this site do it...I never said that HE was overrated...I think he is a good fighter....never said different). In time, he may prove me wrong...but from what he has shown so far....it doesnt appear I am that far off.

Oh and since you brought it up....let me list the fighters that Evander fought who had more power than Briggs. Lewis, Foreman (dont even argue this one...even old Foreman was one of the hardest hitters ever), Tyson (forgot that one didnt ya???), Bowe, Byrd (JK JK JK JK :rofl ). And while Sultan looked great outboxing Briggs...Evander took the fight to those guys and gave just as much (in most cases more) than he took. He went to war with them...he didnt just box them. I am not saying this to take away from Sultan's chin...just to show how utterly incredible Evander's was.

Now calm down....take a breathe and relax. Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt make them a "nuthugger". Saying a fighter with 22 fights could give one of the greatest fighters of all time in their PRIME problems...when nothing (fact nor history) backs that up...does make you one tho....sorry.

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atsch

I see it is a waste of time arguing with you. You have your head WAY too far up Sultan's ass to see the light of day.

I gave nothing but credit to Sultan for what he has done so far in the ring. As I did with Evander. I gave facts and history to back it up....and you called me a nuthugger??? GREAT COMEBACK!!! Yet say nothing about practically anything I said...you really are great at proving points...I see the light now. Thanks....:-(

(and when did I get angry about anything...whatever bro...your a lost cause...)

 

Novi is right about this actually, Henry Cooper had Evander ready to go for example. Nobody's saying Ibragimov would beat Evander, but Ibragimov is a good fighter who deserves respect. Style wise he'd give Evander a good fight, good chin, swarms well, fast hands. He hasn't accomplished anything to be held up next to Holyfield, and even in Novis opinion doesn't beat Holy, but nobody has said something insane like "Vitali would easily cruise to a decision against Ali" here.

 

So what, these guys are set to fight or something?

 

rumour has it that it is a 95% chance it will happen.

 

I suspect Holyfield is still a lot harder fight than Ray Austin and certainly Shannon Briggs.

I'm not sure Ibragimov can beat a decrepit Holyfield. This is a step up in class for Sultan.
And Holyfield's a rotten corpse compared to his younger days.

Yeah, I guess it's an ok fight.
The WBO heavyweight title hasn't exactly got an illustrious history to live up to.

 

Holyfield has to get past Lou Savarese first.

 

Ibragimov shouldn't step into the ring with Holyfield. Holyfield clearly has done nothing to warrant a title shot.