Ibragimov must KO Holyfield, a UD is not enough

Since when Is Sultan fighting Holyfield?

 

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/sportscolumns/entries/2007/06/16/only_belt_not_t.html


Holyfield was quoted as saying it was a 95% possibility.

 

I gave up because you were a lost cause. I gave up because you didnt read what I wrote or even what I quoted...or else the Toney fight never would have came up. I gave up because, while I used facts and history to back up what I was saying (in other words it was a thought out arguement, rather than a nuthugger defending his binky...and since when is Holyfield my BINKY??? You know, people CAN disagree with you and NOT be a nuthugger...were you aware of that??)

So after reading what you wrote...let me quote Godfather 3.

"Just when I think Im out....THEY PULL ME RIGHT BACK IN!!!"

First, let me say that I NEVER said Holyfield never had issues with subpar fighters. ALL GREATS HAVE. You mentioned the Toney fight to say that Evander somehow doesnt have a great chin (dont know how any human being who has actually seen him fight could say that...but.)...and I mentioned that that was not Prime Evander. So wave that out the window. I think we can all agree with what you posted above.

Well, to give Evander problems, you have to at least have ONE advantage over him...please tell me what Sultan does better then Holyfield. Power...nope. Chin...nope. Speed...nope. Ring Savy/Generalship/Smarts/etc...nope. Experience...nope. Defense...nope. Heart...nope. We could keep going.

Now if you were told two fighters would be going at it. And one didnt match up in ANY WAY with the other...what would be your conclusion? Who would you have your money on? I didnt just look at the names and say "NO WAY!!"

And I do think Sultan is a good fighter. There are plenty of good fighters that I would give no chance to with a prime Evander. Thats not a slight on Sultan...its more of a testament to how good Holyfield was.

Like I said, in every post mind you...I think Sultan is OVERRATED ON THIS SITE....not that he is an overrated fighter. Quite the opposite actually.

When you automattically label me a nuthugger, because I differ in opinion with what you said. When you dont even look at the facts I laid out. When you get PISSED off. BLAH BLAH BLAH...I tend to lean toward that there is more motivation then just opinion...especially when there is nothing that really, truely backs that opinion. People favor their favorite fighters...its human nature. Its when you BLINDLY favor your favorite fighters, that people begin to think that their may be some hugging of the nuts...so to say.

When one fighter takes big shots from great fighters and keeps coming, and one take a few big shots from one heavy hitter....you tell me who you feel has PROVEN the better chin (remember after I mentioned all of those things...I said Sultan may prove me wrong over time...but honestly, that is a big mountain to climb.)

As for his defense...Evander was a fantastic at rolling from big punches (think of James Toney...but not as good...Toney is THE master at that defensive style)...remember, defense doesnt have to mean, not getting hit....Holyfield was great at reducing the amount of power in those shots.

And plus, when you get hit with BOMBS from great fighters (Bowe, for example...since you brought him up), how does that take away from your defensive abilities? That is why they are great fighters...am I wrong?

Sultan hasnt proven he can hurt a great fighter with a great chin. In fact, its just the opposite. There have been horrible (Ray Austin is worse than subpar...I think we can agree there) fighters that he wasnt able to hurt. Again, history has more weight on my side of the arguement then yours. That is why I feel like I do.

Holyfield had problems against a certain type of fighter in his career. Sultan is not that type of fighter. I hate to use this analogy, because it is overused, but....as they say....styles make fights...and Sultan's style was not the type that gave Holyfield problems.

How does looking at the advantages, the history and the facts make me a nuthugger of the past (I didnt make up anything...I didnt make any insane claims...I didnt discredit what the other has done)? You speak like no fighter from Evander's era could compete nowadays? The nutthugger thing in this case isnt warrented...

Perception of what? What has Sultan done to show that he could compete with Evander Holyfield?

Lets look at your example...

Holyfield























Gatti

Any further questions?

Reality is, Evander (prime) has every advantage you could want over Sultan. Reality is, Evander has proven all of the things I have mentioned. Reality is Sultan has not and has A LONG WAY TO GO to do so. Reality is, if this fight were to happen (Prime Evander vs Sultan) Evander would be a HUUUUUUUUUGE favorite, not because he is more popular, but because he would be expected to cruise to a win...like the old saying goes "Vegas aint in the buisiness of losing money".

Perception is thinking Sultan has any advantage over Evander (prime). Perception is thinking Sultan's style matches up with Evander's (prime) well. Perception is thinking that just because I disagree with you, that I somehow nuthug the past.

Reality is what I based my feelings on. Perception is what you used for yours.

Thank you for you time...I will be here all week....now Im off to work.

HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYBODY!!!!

:happy

 

Your opinion is not reality.

 

Sultan is NOT a good fighter, and would get destroyed by most good heavyweights. He's a top-10 fighter by default in a weight class that is 5 deep, at best. IMO, Ibragamov is about on par with guys like Mesi, and I'd give Mesi a 50/50 chance of beating him. However, Holyfield is just plain toast. Even if he kayos Holy, I won't give Sultan any credit. What's the point of giving credit to a win over a 45 year old who hasn't beaten anyone of significance in 5 years? At least Holmes had just beaten Mercer, and Louis was only 36 and had beaten about 5 guys with pulses in the two years before fighting Marciano. There's just no comparison to those situations with Sultan fighting Holyfield. This is more like Grover Wiley fighting a shell of a Julio Cesar Chavez.

 

The fight will be tough. Sultan has to do 100% - don't count Holyfield for nothing. Holy will almost be ready to die inside that ring. Sultan 65%.

 

Well, you guys were wrong. Just thought i'd bring this thread back to let you know.

 

Worst bump ever.

 

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