Ibragimov - wants to be champion again

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  1. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ibragimov Realizes Mistake and Wants to Be Champion Again

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    By Scoop Malinowski, photo by Wray Edwards / ESB - Sultan Ibragimov hasn't fallen off the face of the earth since losing his first professional fight. He's back in Russia, resting and plotting his next move. And his manager Boris Grinberg insists we will see the best of Sultan Ibragimov in the future. "It's not a good fight (the points loss to Wladimir Klitschko)," admits Grinberg. "Sultan did a bad job first time in his life. He fought the same pace all the time. Sultan knows how to change tactics. But he didn't this fight. Sultan is disappointed, he realizes he made a mistake and want to be champion again."

    Grinberg has always believed in his man. And still, Grinberg has no doubt about the 32-year-old Sultan Ibragimov (22-1-1, 17 KO's). He, perhaps better than anyone else, knows what kind of warrior Sultan is and will not let one fight alter anything. "Of course we come back. We will be champion again. It was not his day, not his fight. I know how he fights, how he spars, how he practices. He's a very good fighter.."

    With the conservative performances against Briggs, Holyfield and Klitschko, many ring observers may not remember how exciting Ibragimov was against Mount Whitaker, Ray Austin and Javier Mora. Grinberg points out Ibragimov vs. Austin in July 2006 is still the highest-rated ESPN2 boxing show. But Ibragimov's market value has now diminished and Grinberg accepts this fact. "We understand now, our price go very low down. But it doesn't matter to us. Everybody in boxing still understands Sultan is a very dangerous fighter. We have to come back with a couple of knockout wins. Sultan has to be different (than with Klitschko), not box, he has to fight. I'm not impressed with Klitschko. He not show anything, show very bad boxing. Klitschko too fast. He running all the time, he don't want to fight. Sultan lost his pace, he has to attack more often, go to the left, go to the right. He not do that."

    In defense of Klitschko, you have to appreciate the stakes that were involved. Wladimir Klitschko respected how dangerous Ibragimov was and he knew the smartest style to win the fight was to outbox Ibragimov using his physical advantages. He tried for the knockout but it just didn't come. Sometimes this happens, like with Lewis vs. Tua, Hearns with Benitez, Tyson with Smith and Tucker, Cotto with Malignaggi. Klitschko is at the crucial stage of his career and so close to his ultimate goal of unifying the titles. One silly error and he could possibly lose to Ibragimov. And his career would be set back for years. Remember, Klitschko lost one whole year when Chris Byrd ducked him and made him wait 12 extra months for the title shot (from April 2005 to April 2006). Klitschko does not need to take an unnecessary risk, not at this stage of the game, where is ultimate ambition is still at stake. How quickly people forget Klitschko's destructions of Brewster, Byrd, Austin and Brock.

    But back to Ibragimov, Grinberg alludes that there may be a change in the Ibragimov corner. "Jeff Mayweather made big mistake during fight. Why not change his pace? You see his comments on TV, Everything is okay. It's not okay! Wake up! Go to your previous boxing. Three-four fights before, Whitaker, Mora. Mayweather not say, You have to fight. Wake up. He say, Okay, smart boxing, hands up. He did big mistake. Against Shannon Briggs he change his style. Shannon Briggs maybe throw five or six shots all fight. With Klitschko you have to fight, not boxing."

    But it's easier said than done. An under-appreciated aspect of Klitschko's dominance is his sheer ability to force the opponent to fight HIS fight. All opponents say the key is to make Klitschko fight a down 'n dirty dogfight but each and every one, aside from Corrie Sanders, fails to accomplish their strategy. Klitschko's footwork, reflexes and constant eagerness to assert aggression while remaining wary defensively is a very unique and difficult style to decode. Ibragimov couldn't handle it this time, who knows about next time.

    Ibragimov will be back and Grinberg, confident as ever about his man's abilities, says he'll fight anyone. I immediately mention the name David Haye and Grinberg did not flinch about the idea of Sultan battling the extremely impressive Brit. "David Haye is exciting but he's a little too light. David Haye will be a very beautiful fight with Sultan. I saw David Haye sparring five years ago with Timur Ibragimov. I saw how fast David Haye is. But he's not a very dangerous puncher.

    Very skilled. David Haye is very fast and very smart, moves very well. He understands fighting. He's similar to Sultan. Sultan is still one of the best, he's never been knocked out.

    "Sultan needs two KO's in a row to get respect back from everybody. Then go with a guy like David Haye or Samuel Peter."

    Haye will probably pick someone safer like Rahman or Brock. Ibragimov vs. Peter sounds mighty good though. Grinberg thinks Haye would not take a fight with Ibragimov for his next fight. "David Haye will never go against Sultan now. David Haye was in gym with Sultan, he knows who Sultan is, how dangerous he is. No one wants to fight Sultan. I know this exactly. Peter don't want to fight with Sultan. If you ask Peter, Do you want to fight Sultan? He say Yes of course. But Don King will never make that fight. But Sultan has to make his name back. Because no one wants to see him now. Peter in two or three fights. It would be a beautiful fight. Peter would be much more easier for Sultan than Klitschko. Sultan has a problem with people not wanting to fight him."

    What about Povetkin vs. Ibragimov? "Sultan sparred Povetkin (years ago)," says Grinberg. "Povetkin is undefeated, Sultan is a different caliber. The (Russian) coach made decision not to put them in together. Sultan too dangerous. They put Povetkin in a different division. Sultan #1 in his weight. Povetkin is very good but he's not a killer. Sultan is a killer."

    "End of June or July Sultan will have his next fight. Against who exactly don't know. We will find opponent, we will find interest from TV. Sultan has to get back to contender #1 because nobody (top names) will fight him."

    Grinberg also believes that Panama Lewis could have guided Ibragimov to victory against Klitschko. The exiled Lewis has worked in the gym with Ibragimov for several years and knows the Russian's capacities better than anyone. "If Panama in is corner Sultan would have beat Klitschko. He know Sultan's killer instinct very well but he never teach Sultan to defend himself. Mayweather taught his defense very well but he forget to be a killer."​
     
  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boris Greenberg, Panama Lewis and Iggy after the Klitschko snore-fest? I thought Sultan's parents didn't want him to fight on.
     
  3. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hope he gets another title shot and keeps fighting. He's one of my favourite heavys.
     
  4. dragosuhail

    dragosuhail Active Member Full Member

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    due to the landscape i find it very hard to believe ibragimov will become champ again. it's possible but ibragimov will have to do it in around 2-3 years tops and i can't see the situation really.

    peter has to defend against vitali or the other mandatories. if sultan makes a deal with don king then it will be more likely. ruslan chagaev definately wont fight sultan without a belt, since he already pulled out of their original unificationo fight.

    wladimir definately wont fight sultan again. they both know it was a lousy fight so no need to bring back bad memories. plus wladimir has mandatories and other potential matchups like a rematch with peter and also a interesting fight against haye, before he retires.

    only way i can see it happening is if nikolai valuev beats ruslan, and gives ibragimov a shot, provided sultan beats someone in an eliminator.
    i could see sultan fighting haye or someone like that for mandatory no1. spot.

    but if he really wants to be champ again it needs to be asap. i just don't think his style is suited for aging. the first thing that seems to deteriorate with getting older is your legs and speed. both things which are sultans key to success so far. once he loses that, the bigger heavies will batter him down like austin almost did. if he had fearsome power like wladimir then he could hang around a bit longer, but he really doesn't aside from the occassional counter shot haymakers.

    personally i think he's done. will make a good top 10 contender/gatekeeper until he decides to hang em up.
     
  5. EARL

    EARL Active Member Full Member

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    Want in one hand, **** in the other.. see which one fills up faster. :yep
     
  6. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's right about one thing, Mayweather employed the wrong strategy against Wlad. He got Sultan away from his old swarming style, which was ok against a guy like Briggs, but cost him his only chance to possibly win in the Klitschko fight.

    No reason Sultan couldn't win a belt, he's still young for a heavy and definitely top 5 in the division.
     
  7. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    i think he'll do good and possibly win against chagaev
     
  8. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't say he's done after only his first loss, and that being to the best heavy in the world. Not by a long shot.

    To get himself back in demand, Ibragimov needs to get ballsy and take on someone who, if he beats, will bring a big reward. Someone like Haye, or Ruiz............ and Ibrag should win in dramatic fashion, in order to rebuild his clout and rebuild his credibility, after being shutout in the Wlad fight.

    But losing to Wlad won't derail Ibragimov for very long. Afterall, he can boast that he caused Wlad to be very tentative and unwilling to use very much firepower. Its not everyone that causes Wlad to be so cautious. :good And Ibrag only lost a decision. He was not brutally beaten and then KOed, like Byrd, Brock, Austin, etc. That has to count for something, as well. he's very fast, tough and is a dangerous counterpuncher that can probably beat just about anyone else, but Wlad, and maybe Chagaev and Valuev.
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A single loss is one thing, putting in a god-awful performance in losing is another.

    On the back of what were seen as efficient but very uninspiring efforts against Briggs and Holyfield in turn, Ibragimov is going to have to do something big to turn around his image.

    It's easy to say you'll do better next time...let's see if Sultan can do it.

    Just talk to Liakhovich if you want to see how two bad efforts in a row can totally collapse things...
     
  10. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sultans a boring fighter, his fights against Briggs, Holyfield, and especially Wlad, were all the lame, lack luster fights. I personally would rather see him retire, the division already has an over abundance of boring Heavyweights, Iggy would just add to that already growing list. Iggy had his chance, and failed, I hope he never gets another shot at the title with his fighting style, I would rather see Ruiz over him at this point.
     
  11. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should anyone care or get excited?
     
  12. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  13. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    i would pick him to outpoint your boy without hesitation
     
  14. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I do not understand Sultan's strategy that night. He should have pressured Klitschko like Sanders did and gone for broke early in the fight.
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Before the Wlad fight I would of agreed with you, after what I seen, Iggy's chin would of been more exposed than Paris Hiltons ***** at a red carpet event, Iggy was stunned by the first decent right hand Wlad landed, the only difference is, if Peter got Iggy hurt, he's not afraid to follow up and finish the job, unlike Wlad.