Ibragimov - wants to be champion again

Wasn't Barney openly discussing retirement before Wlad?

Why the change of heart?

 

Fair enough, but I do see Peter improving, he's only 27, and you can already see his head movement, jab, and body work as improved greatly since his fight with Wlad in late 05. Peters biggest weakness is his weight/stamina, if he improves that, he will be the hardest man to beat in the division IMO.

Heavy, I got a question for you, who do you think has a better chance of beating Peter, Vitali or Wlad? just curious.

 

Body work? I dunno Punisher. I havent seen anything resembling a consistent body attack from Peter yet.

Peter's biggest weakness is his punch resistance doesn't seem what it used to be and of course his horrid conditioning.

 

Trust me it's improved, watch the second Toney fight and Mccline fight, it was helpful tool in his victories over both men. His stamina/weight is a serious issue, I will agree with you there. I wouldnt worry about Peter's chin, he had a bad night, and learned from his mistakes, even though he proved his chin isnt exactly granite, he did show everyone how big his heart was by battling back and winning the fight, which is most important.

 

Do you honestly believe the **** that you say?

Chris Byrd has a WELL proven chin... yet you call it average. Brock and Ibragimov were undefeated... yet you say they have an average chin.:huh What are you judging Brock's chin on? The time that he was knocked down once by McCline? Sam Peter was dropped 3 times by McCline... what does that make Peter's chin like? Brewster don't count? Because his completely healed eye was effecting his chin? You go on to call McCline a good chinned fighter... keep in mind that Wlad knocked McCline out, while Peter was dropped three times and wasn't able to even knock McCline down. I could continue to punch holes in your bias, but it isn't as if everyone else doesn't already see it. I'm sure you know that you are talking out of your ass as well.

I don't see Peter becoming the Unified Champ. I don't even see Peter beating Ibragimov to be honest. You talk about Peter knocking Byrd out, and I doubt that Peter would beat Byrd either. I honestly don't see him landing too many punches against Byrd. Peter vs Brock would be a good fight, and I am not sure who would win that one. Brock is a better boxer, and Peter is more dangerous. Close call.

 

Mcclines chin is good, he took one the heaviest punchers in the division Briggs and went nowhere, Wlad only floored Mccline when he was dead tired in the 10th or 11th round, it was his stamina, not Wlads punches that did him in, in the end. He didnt knock Brewster out, he didnt even rock him or knockdown through 6 rounds, his corner decided to stop it, for fear of his eye being reinjured, old Bryd has an average chin, we already seen him get taken out by Wlad and a lesser puncher in Povetkin, Brock was a hype job from the begining, once he stepped up to good competition he lost, Mccline almost had him out with one punch, and then Wlad finished the job by knocking him out with one punch. Iggy is an average Heavyweight period, he was floored by journeymen in Austin, and was almost knocked out in that fight, Wlad had him hurt with the first significant right hand he landed on him, but out of fear being countered, he refused to finish the job.

I dont know what you want me to say Heavy, I dont even really know what were really even debating, but you have your opinion, I have mine.

 

Against Toney he was wobbled a few times, against Slo-leg he had a few moments of uneasyness, we don't have to cover the McCline one.

His chin seems to be degrading.

 

McCline's stamina isn't why Wlad beat him. Have you seen the fight? McCline didn't even do a damn thing, how on earth could he be tired? He was scared to death from the first time that Wlad hit him, and when Wlad cracked him with a good one in the 10th, McCline was rocked hard... Wlad followed him up and finished him. McCline just made it to his feet before the end of the round, and when they were asking him questions in his corner, he wasn't even responding. That is why the fight was stopped. Stop making **** up.

Brewster corner didn't stop the fight because his eye you damn liar... why do you feel the need to just make **** up? Brewster corner stopped the fight because Wlad was beating the living **** out of him, and Brewster was about to get brutally knocked out. McGirt's words were very simple "Brewster was getting weaker, and Wladimir was getting stronger and coming on harder and harder. I wasn't going to allow Brewster to get beat up like that."

With the rest of the nonsense.... that's just what it is. Doesn't even deserve a response. Honestly... why do you feel the need to make up nonsense in order to pretend like you have a point? I know too much about this sport for you to get that **** past me... that might work when talking to someone who doesn't follow the sport as closely as I do.

 

I wont argue with you there, everyone has a bad night, the improtant thing is, he won in the end, the same cant be said when Wlad had a bad night against guys like Brewster and Sanders. Peters tough, Wlads not, that will be the difference when they fight next time.

 

Ya know that would hold some weight if Wlad didn't get up 3 times against Peter.

Isn't that toughness?

 

How do you come to that conclusion? Wlad has also shown that he can get off the canvas to win a fight... did you forget? Fighters who aren't tough don't do that sort of thing. They go down, they stay down... or they never recover. Also, Wlad refused to stay down against Sanders even though he was getting pummeled... that shows his heart. I am not doubting Peter's toughness.... as I am not a Peter hater, like you are a Wlad hater. Peter is a tough fighter as well.

 

Yeah ok, that's why you had to make a lame thread in the lounge because of how beat you were the day before by me and Magoo.

You are a Wlad nuthugger that calls people names and insults them when you dont get your way, Brewster was not a 100% in that fight, anyone that has followed Brewster closely like I have for the last 8 years, knows that wasnt Brewster at his best, he took a **** load more punishment in the past, against Liakhovich, Meehan, Eitenne, and Wlad the first time, Wlad barely even threw a right hand in that fight, but Brewster was so hurt by them he couldnt continue, get real, I also heard an interview that the interviewer asked him what was the difference this time around, he replied, "I dont want to make excuses like my oppenent did when I beat him, I will say he was better man that night and I would love to have a rubber match".

 

Yes, that is toughness, and I give him a ton of credit for that fight, but one fight doesnt make you tough, it's something you must prove throughout your career, something Wlad hasnt done yet, he's been tested 4 times, and failed badly 3 of those times.

 

I see that you completely ignore how I tore yet another one of your posts apart... yet, I don't ever expect you admit that I completely own you in every boxing discussion that we have. It's not your fault man, you just don't know very much about the sport. If you would follow the sport as I do, you would not be at such a disadvantage every time that we have a discussion.

There is a reason why when I have a debate with you guys, and it goes to a poll.... I win. You know why? Because only a select few of you guys actually believe your own bull****. I am not talking about mythical boxing matches either... nobody is ever right when it comes to fantasy fights between different eras... I am talking about current boxing and things that ACTUALLY happened.

Ever notice how you can find me in different threads defending Sam Peter and saying good things about him.... yet, in every thread you feel the need to bash Wlad, and completely discredit everything that he has done? You are blinded by your bias, and it has consumed you. Even to the point where you completely make up nonsense, and lies... and expect people to buy it. I have news for you, the only people who are going to buy that bull****, is the same Klitschko haters who have been the laughing stock of this forum for the last 4-5 years. 75% of us send PM's back and forth, just laughing our asses off at how little about this sport you guys know. Yet, you live in your own little world, and keep telling each other that you are "owning" people in debates, and act like you guys are whoopin' ass on this forum.:rofl Ever notice how most people don't even bother exposing your nonsense? Because it is so outrageous that people don't even take it seriously. I just have a little fun poking holes in everything that you guys say, when I bored.