Ice debate/discussion last night with Ken Shamrock...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IceJohnScully, Sep 28, 2007.


  1. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    I engaged in a pretty interesting hour long phone call/interview/debate/conversation last night with www.fightnewsunlimited.com's Rich Bergeron (as the mediator) and MMA legend Ken Shamrock. There was a lot to talk about in an hour and I think at the end of the session we had both made some good points on behalf of our sport but one thing he said that really stands out was when he made note of the fact that our best fighter, Floyd Mayweather Jr., "would get crushed in MMA." I mean, come on, that's not something to be bragging about. The best MMA guys could take down a 147 pound guy that has never wrestled, grappled or competed in martial arts in his life.

    I said "Well, that's like saying that Michael Jordan couldn't win in MMA, either, because the two sports are as different as basketball is compared to them." I also had the lingering feeling that he was saying this tome in sort of a challenging way. So an MMA champ could beat Floyd... in MMA?

    "And don't forget, you could take both yourself and Tito Ortiz and Floyd would whip both of you within a minute of each other while only using one hand." I knew I was right and, to his credit, Ken agreed with me on that point. We certainly disagreed with each other on several other points but at the end of the day I think two things are clear at this point. First is that the best MMA guy will beat the best boxer... at MMA. And the best boxer would demolish the best MMA guy at boxing. Second is that as well as the MMA is doing and as well as it may do in the future I think boxing has a strong tradition that will persevere. We are still the leading fighting sport in terms of name recognition among the masses and we are certainly the leaders in terms of producing the multi-millionaires.

    Will that change? You never know but one thing about the whole debate in my mind is this: The MMA is a particularly violent sport with aspects involved other than just the clean punching that makes boxing so popular and, for me anyway, I think the wrestling and grappling parts of it will eventually turn people off. I know it does for me. It's like baseball to me. I find it hard to sit through more than seventy at bats (complete with numerous walks and fouls balls) when I can turn on the news later at night and see all the doubles and home runs in one quick clip on the local news.

    We'll see, I guess, right?
     
  2. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Boxing is way more exciting for me and I feel the only reason ufc grown the way it has is because the Heavywieght division has no striking figures like a Tyson or Foreman to keep fans interested anymore. When Tyson fought Lewis when I was in highschool everybody was talking about it even the teachers, more big fights like that need to happen and there needs to be more american fighters to keep the average fan interested in the heavywieght division. The other divisions are doing quite well, I just would like to see the heavywieght division be respected again like it used to be.
     
  3. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    I think you are very correct..and to his credit I seem to remember Ken saying something very similar last night
     
  4. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im 22 and most of my friends our around the same age and unfortunately they know more about ufc than boxing, I ask them why and they say its more like a street fight. To be honest I seen one person in my life throw a kick in a street fight and he missed and got slammed on his head, and I never seen anyone get submitted in a street fight. Most street fights start with a punch and end with a punch or slam, so in my opinion thats inaccurate. While I believe boxings do well around the world its starting to lose ground with the under 30 crowd and the weak heavywieght divisions partly to blame for that, I just hope it shapes up before its too late.
     
  5. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    nice to see you go out for BOxing
     
  6. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    U expected otherwise?? :)
     
  7. KO byBRIGGS

    KO byBRIGGS Making a comeback Full Member

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    The problem is mma is more televised these days, on dishnetwork there is so many different mma leagues:

    KOTC
    IFL
    UFC
    WCL
    WEC

    I know theres more but those are all on regularily and I barely see boxing on tv considering how many MMA shows are on TV. The exposure of UFC with free major events and regular live programing on spike TV is also bringing alot of exposure tot he sport. I agree with the other post I`m 24 and none of my friends can name a boxing champion. It's pathetic how few of the fights can be seen without purchasing ppv and some are not even available.....for example this fight with Holyfield vs Ibrigamov may not even be shown on dish network ppv that is pathetic and bad for the sport.
     
  8. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love boxing and mma but outside the premier fights boxing has become stale and the ufc and other such organisations are bringing good cards with lots of exciting fights to the table, something which boxing for the most part is failing to do. I used to love watching benn,eubank,collins, neary on itv but the more recent shows with people like williams,skelton etc have been pretty poor.
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Err so anderson silva is not good at striking, boxers are good punchers but that doesn't include half the aspects of striking.
     
  10. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    also if you want to watch the fight and you aint got hbo watch it on a live stream for free.
     
  11. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but in mma you can clinch and use knees and elbows, anderson silva >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cro cop
     
  12. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No but it makes him worse than the person who is the best mma striker, cro-cop is past it and hasn't upped his game silva knows how to grapple as well as use is strking skills so silva >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cro cop
     
  13. KO byBRIGGS

    KO byBRIGGS Making a comeback Full Member

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    Still the quality isnt as good, its a pain in the ass and I want to watch it on my big screen with no hassles, boxing needs to push forward into mainstream television more or it will continue to lose ground to MMA which is getting the highest ratings its ever had.
     
  14. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have had streams pretty much as good as live tv most of the time, depends on if you know where to go. Tuf was the big start for ufc, they needed to do a better job with the contender to get the mainstream intrest back into boxing.
     
  15. LeadLeftHook

    LeadLeftHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its a combination of many things for Boxing, no American HW superstar, lack of exciting fights outside the big events, lack of exposure on regular TV. UFC fights are fun to watch and they do terffic job with making good undercard fights as well.

    But Boxing brings the kind of excitement and drama that UFC can never bring.