i'd bet simpson against dunne

Thanks for the heads up there TFFP but I already knew that Dunne is recognised as the ordinary world champ by the WBA - I know this dosen't sit well with boxing fans but that's just the way it is. It dosen't matter what you or Beeston or anyone else thinks about the WBA and their interim, ordinary, and super champs, Dunne will still go down as a world champ in the history books.

 

Maybe, I'm just being honest nobody considers him a world champion. People are talking about Caballero fighting Lopez, because they see him as a unified champ. He won the WBA world title legitimately, never lost the title, and is somehow a Super champ. Whatever WBA, he's the champ, they are just trying to win sanctioning fees.

 

Not true TFFP. Since when do you speak for everybody or do you consider the opinions of a small minority of people who post on a boxing forum as true indicator of how everyone else thinks?

 

Poonsawat would be a hard fight for Dunne which he has a chance at, but the likes of Marquez/Vasquez/Caballeroo are too far for him imo

 

The 'small minority' on a boxing forum hardly makes sense, this is a minority sport. Nowhere else will you find so many dedicated fans as in this place. Not many seem to talk about Bernard Dunne, despite the fact he's supposed to be a world champion in a division that is recieving attention due to Juanma and Caballero. Why is that?

Because people are not duped by the WBA conning for sanctioning fees with their bull**** array of titles. Until Dunne beats Caballero he won't be recognised by the people as a champion, he might be in the history books I don't doubt that, I'm just telling you how it seems to be amongst fans. (except for Irish)

Good luck to him, if he can beat Caballero I'll take my hat off to him, he'll truely be a champ and I'm sure he'd get a lot more recognition.

 

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if he beats poonsawat i hope he fights cabballero

i think Dunne has a chance agianst cabballero albeit a small chance

then this bull**** will be cleared up

 

True.

Caballero is a tough opponent for him with the type of pressure he puts on, but he does it in a really awkward way considering his height and reach. If he beat Caballero I'd be amazed and thoroughly impressed because he seems like Dunne's worst nightmare.

The only good thing about this WBA situation is at least Dunne is fighting a good opponent next, this Thai guy looks a good scalp.

 

That was my point TFFP, because boxing only has a small amount of hardcore fans, the vast majority of casual fans (not just Irish ones) will see Dunne as a world champion cos they have no clue about the interim,ordinary, super champ thing.
About not many talking about Dunne - There have been more threads about Dunne than Caballero in the last year on this forum, explain that.

 

I'd hazard a guess that more Irish people post on ESB than from Panama :good

 

Dunne's not a World champion, but neither is Caballero or Lopez or Nishioka.
Yes they have achieved more than Dunne and are better contenders for the Super-Bantamweight championship of the World but those trinkets they all hold don't make them Champions.

Israel Vasquez is the Super-Bantamweight Champion of the World.......and not because that stupid magazine says so either.


As for Simpson, if he really can make 122 and be strong at the weight Billy then why don't yee move down in weight after the Truscott fight ?, I think Simpson would beat Munroe and wouldn't have too much problem with Booth or Hunter either if he's strong at the weight. So there's plenty of opportunity there for him if he can get down there and remain strong.

There's no point saying he could make Super-Bantamweight and he could beat or give a good fight to such and such and then not actually do it. So if you're succesful against Truscott why not give it a go, John has little to lose from it and a hell of a lot to gain if it worked.

 

Dunne may not be no 1 in the wba ranking s but he beat cordoba who is a hell of a fighter and if he beats poonsawat he will be top 3 super bantam in my eyes behind cab and junma , not a bad acheivment all the same

 

I agree with this, but for practical purposes we can call all of the above world champions. What's funny is that this stuff never seems to be an issue on this forum unless it's a non UK fighter. I wonder if we would be having this debate if Munroe took advantage of this technicality.

 

Casual fans outside Ireland probably don't even know who Bernard Dunne is so I doubt that. The only way they'd know he's a world champion was if he was announced as such, but thats the same with a WBU world champion...

Also, your latter point is inaccurate. Across the forum there are more threads on Caballero by some margin, there might be more about Dunne in the Brit forum exclusively which is logical, but as a whole...no.

 

I was talking about this forum (the one I'm posting in funny enough), so for someone who is not recognised as a world champion by everyone in the Brit forum (or indeed anyone else as you pointed out to me earlier) he sure does get a lot of attention.

 

I'd have to disagree with you there, he gets very little attention in here for a guy that is supposed to be 'world champion'. Probably less than he deserves because regardless of defintions here he beat a top class guy in Cordoba in a great fight.

Part of that is probably because he's Irish of course, but people seem to talk about prospects that are much less accomplished than Bernard Dunne. He just doesn't seem to have 'made it' yet, I imagine if he beat a Caballero there would be a Dunne explosion.