i'd bet simpson against dunne

Simpson would probably give it a good go but come up short I feel. All respect to Simpson, if luck had have run his way a bit more then he could have gone on to be further up the ladder than he is now.

That said, the fight won't get made. Its an interesting theorethical matchup but it will remain in the realm of fantasy.

Whether the people on here consider Dunne a world champion or not, a world class fighter or not, or anything else for that matter. The thing is that he has a strap now. He was involved in a possible FOTY contender against Caballero. He has the chance to make some serious $$$$ fighting in the US (where he has already plied his trade earlier in his career) and I don't think anyone can mount much of a counter argument against him going down that path.

Maybe he beats Poonswat or maybe he doesn't. Maybe he goes on to fight Cabellero or Vasquez or whoever else. They are much richer pickings than anything on offer this side out the Atlantic (outside of selling out the Point)

Put it this way. Lets say he gets through Poonswat and goes on to fight Vasquez. An epic points/late (T)KO loss to Vasquez would likely generate bigger future fights and revenue for him that a couple of devestating and comprehensive wins over the likes of Simpson and Munroe can offer.

I'm not calling anyone on here a hater but whether you rate him or not or whether you give him any chance or not surely a little bit of respect is due. Actively seeking fights with Cabellero/Vasquez/Leuvano or whoever else is at least a willingness to step up. It shows more ambition that fluting about in Europe

And another thing. While I accept Caballeros WBA dominance and champion status to start banging on about never being recognised as a champion unless you beat 1 particluar fighter is bull****. Its the ****ing elitest shite that occasionally gets spouted on here. Some people need to take their head out of their arse. Sure we all have our opinions on who is the best in each division but there is more than 1 champion in each division.

Nikiosha (WBC), Caballero (WBA/IBF) and Juanma (WBO) all deserve recogniton while Vasquez was the man for very, very long time and should be fast tracked back into title contention upon his return

 

Well said BamBam, I don't like running down boxers on here but it gets annoying when every man and his dog reckons they can beat Dunne in some theoretical match up that will probably never happen. It's easy to say this and that boxer would beat Dunne knowing full well that the fights will never come off.
I can't see how anyone can fail to admire what Dunne has achieved despite being written off by most :good

 

after Dunne's next fight this should be made. Dunne will need to be remade at domestic level and Simpson would offer very good opposition.

 

its a mess alright but it doesnt change the fact that Dunne is fighting at world level and Simpson is not Cordoba and "the Thai" are both ranked by the ring in the top 10 for SBW

 

It just seems a bit strange to me that all of a sudden Simpson, who has not even fought at European level, is being tipped by some to beat Dunne, then I read on another thread someone saying Paul Appleby would beat him aswell! As for why I don't think the Simpson fight is a possibility - I can't see it to be honest, If Dunne get's past Poonsawat he will be looking for the bigger fights like Vasquez or maybe Caballero. After that it is likely he will move up to featherweight and target Cruz. This is what Peters and Dunne have hinted at anyway. I'm not saying that it definitely won't happen but I would be very surprised if it did, if Dunne were to lose to the Thai he should be fighting Munroe or even Martinez. If Simpson did drop down to 122 I think he could beat Munroe, so if that were the route he took, then maybe the fight could happen but at the moment there's better fights for Dunne.

 

Of course it's elitist, boxing isn't some sort of competition where everyone including the very worst get a medal and told their special.

There can only be 1 World Champion......by definition that is. If there is more than one World Champion then in truth there is actually none, it's not something that multiple people can be. It would be like saying 2/3/4 different men are the richest in the World. That just simply can't be true.

Now of course there is many titles, but we shouldn't put any significance on them, their bull****. We should however put significance on who people have beaten eg. Lopez has beat Ponce De Leon, Nishioka has beaten Gonzalez, Dunne has beat Cordoba, Caballero has beaten Molitor etc.
That's significant, who you've fought and who you've beaten.

I'm not trying to play down what these fighters achieve but the thought of considering 6 men Champion of the World is clearly ******ed. 5 of them are very good contenders who have proven themselves as very good fighters worthy of a World title shot.

Vasquez doesn't need any of those titles anyway, he's already the World Champion so it's not really important if he's holding a trinket or not.

 

I hate to tell you but one world, one champion went out the window a long, long time ago. For me, beating world class fighters to take one of the major belts equates to being a world champion. I agree that you can't have 6-7-8 world champions.

However, you can have more than one and thats just the way boxing is whether you like it or not. In some divisions there will be one world champion that most recognise as being better than the others. That said, in certain other divisions the lines are blurred and its not as obvious.

While I rated (and still do) Vasquez very highly when he was active and thought he was the best SBW around the fact that someone on a boxing message board says hes the world champion means **** all. Talking about not needing trinkets is bull**** too. YOu can bet your bottom dollar the first thing Vasquez will do on his return is go after a title.

Not to mention the fact that you could question whether or not he is out and out undisputed best SBW now. He's been inactive for 18 months and had serious problems with his vision. You could easily counter that Caballero is the best SBW in town because we have no idea what kind of Vasquez will come back.

This is where the eliteist shite comes in and not in terms of boxers being elitist but rather the fans. Vasquez is the man and no one is a true world champion unless they beat him? Because people on the internet say so? Bollocks to that. Its just an opinion and far from being a fact. These cover all statements are ridiculous.

If there is only one man to beat before you can claim to be a world champion then I assume people are judging that along the lines of the linear world championship? Personally, while i find those interesting, I don't put any weight in that. I'd be interested to see who the linear SBW champion is but thats about it

 

He's fighting Al Seeger in a non title fight. As for the rest of your post, I disagree.

Vasquez beat Oscar Larios to decide the Super-Bantamweight Championship of the World when it was vacant. Vasquez was considered #2 and Larios #1, and for me until Vasquez moves up in weight, retires or loses at the weight then he's still the champion. Others will disagree but if people want to put the fate of what's what in the hands of businesses who's sole intention is to make money then that's their perogative.

What's a major belt for you anyway ?

WBF
WBA
WBU
GBC
IBO
IBF
WBO
WBA Super
Ring
IBA
IBC
WBC
UBC

Do interim versions of those titles count ?

 

Its clear to anyone who has spoken to Vazquez is that he just wants to fight the best fighters out there he wants to create a legacy that will go down in history when hes finished.

but in saying that a few more belts would look nice on the mantle piece i think you will agree! :hey

He wants to fight dunne at 126 there wouldnt be a title at stake there

that could possibly be dunnes next fight after the thai.

Ive always felt that the fighter makes the belt not the other way round

:deal