I'd love to see the UFC adapt the cards from Pride

Athletic commisions won't allow it.

 

Its arbitrary and its stealing money from fighters, its often just a way of ****ing the people the org doesn't want to win or have to pay.

Rulon Gardner vs Yoshida, end of discussion.

Its outright theft, and why anybody would want fighters to make less money is a bad reason no matter what.

 

It can be a good idea but it can't be trusted with refs, the amount of yellow cards I saw handed unfairly was substantial. Like Wanderlei getting battered from ringpost to ringpost by Crocop, falling on the ground and clinging on for dear life, he then gets a yellow card, what is a fighter to do in that situation?

There are multiple other cases, the Pride refs just seemed to randomly give cards to anyone who were on the bottom in guard. It was pretty unjust imo.

 

A way of robbing fighters? What about if say the 10% deduction went to the fight of the night, on top of whatever other bonus was given? Now.. That would be something..

Still, this is the main problem with having the UFC focused in the States. Seems like the org must be based in the states, but if it were based in the states and held most of its fights in nations where they could dictate the rules almost completely.. Might be able to do Joe's ideal rules and have a Joe Roegan grand prix or something in Japan or Russia.

Make it more no holds barred and event, with rediculous purses. Elbows, soccer kicks, knees on a grounded opponent. Mixture of UFC and Pride rules, is really what most people want to see, whether its in a cage or a ring..

 

10% of your paycheck is alot of money.

 

Then it would still be robbing fighters.

Alot of fighters barely make enough to get by, people ***** about fighter salaries, and then want to take away 10-20-****ing 30% of their purse based on what? Absolutely nothing but the whims of biased ass employees of the company paying the purse, if you see anything short of outright theft and fraud in that you are a ****ing moron.

 

Nah, I like the idea of taking away a portion of someones purse so long as they are making something similar to the old pride wages. I think the big deal here is the ufc wages, paying a guy like Eddie Sanchez something like 5 grand to fight a guy like Crocop when he appeared to be a total beast.

So long as guys are getting paid more than 30 grand, I think a 10% deduction is fair.

 

Huh............Pride wages were no better.

 

UFC fighters have always made as much or more than Pride fighters, this myth was blown out of the water when Pride had to post its salaries after US events.

Taking money from fighters, when the person taking that money works for the company paying it is ****ing fraud, collusion, theft, and just outright immoral and wrong.

It is illegal in the United States and any promotion doing it should be ****ing boycotted, ask Rulon Gardner or any other non pro-wrestler that fought in pride.

 

How many yellow cards did Rulon get anyway?

 

At least 2, maybe 3.

The real problem was he was the one pushing the fight. He wasn't throwing caution to the win, but he was fighting smart, moving forward, jabbing, Yoshida was almost all defense.

And gee, I wonder who they are gonna take money from, the Japanese Hero or the American fighting him who has no way of contesting the judgement of a fickle, biased, dumbass, ref who is getting paid by the company.

 

I don't disagree with you in that event. If anyone should have gotten a yellow card in that fight, it should have been Yoshida.

I don't think the concept of yellow card and 10% purse deduction is bad, I think its great. You bring up the dilemma with the situation in that the refs are paid by the organization.. But at the same time it brings up another dilemma in that the refs are going to favor certain fighters in the first place because the refs are paid by the organization which could mean fixed fights.. So with this logic, why bother having the fight in the first place?

Refs have the descretion in the ring.. Might be a **** ref, or paid off ref. Happens in every sport. The concept isn't bad, its just had some bad implementations.. Perhaps yellow cards could be disputed.. To me it seems like a good possible implementation given some fights are, well.. Just lame.

 

The refs in America are all employed by the state athletic commision, it is completley neutral in America in all orgs.
In Japan there is more likely to be corruption as the refs are emplyed by the organizations themselves as they don't have athletic commisions.