I'd pick Oleksander Usyk to beat Max Schmeling

Max was considered that hardest puncher in the world when? Also Max still was a 180 pound guy. Him knocking Joe Louis out shows how poor Joe Louis chin is not how hard Max punched. It is like saying Lamon Brewster is one of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history because he knocked out Wladimir Klitschko.

 

Sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs.

 

Where does it say being bigger makes a fighter automatically punch harder? Did Randall Cobb punch harder than Marciano? Cobb was 45 or more pounds heavier.

In fact power punching is all technique, speed, timing. ALL THIS plus weight.

Schmeling was considered the hardest puncher in boxing since Dempsey when he came on the scene in the late 20’s. Only when Max Baer and then Louis became a contender did Schmeling have a rival.

Schmeling had a remarkable career being a leading contender or champion from 1928 to 1938. When he came to the US his bouts turned away thousands. A true superstar in his prime.

 

And he might not even be one of the two hardest hitting light heavyweights if he were fighting today. Fascinating!

 

It's a joyous state of affairs

 

No.

 

This. Bob Satterfield and Ingemar Johansson were both under 200 lbs and could punch as hard as anyone that has ever fought in the heavyweight division.

Schmeling’s power was no joke, but he was also very craft. He was the only person to stop a prime Joe Louis and the only person to stop Stribling.

 

Lol actually Randall Cobb did punch harder than Marciano. Which is why Cobb knocked out heavyweights and Marciano knocked out 160 to 190 pound fighters who were 70 years old like china chin Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott and Joe Louis.

But if you want to use your logic Manny Pacquaio punched harder than Marciano and could beat him right? Nayoe Inoue also punched harder than Marciano right? Because you are considered a hard puncher at one weight class it must mean you can punch harder than somebody who is 50 plus pounds heavier than you right?

Schmeling was considered a hard puncher for a 190 pound guy. Since Foreman, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Wladimir Klitschko didn't exist he was not considered a hard puncher compared to them.

Max Schmeling had a amazing career being a 180 to 190 pounds fighting in his limited era.

 

How many 230 pound guys did Johannson knock out? But yeah he punched harder than any 230 pound heavyweight because you said so right. The only bigger heavyweight that Satterfield knocked out was Cleveland Williams who actually started his career weighing around 200 pounds or less. So again Satterfield punched harder than modern sized heavyweights because of what? You saying so? Yeah because a clueless guy online typing something clearly makes it true.

Johansson knocked out glass chin Floyd Patterson who was a natural 180 pound guy. That doesn't equate Johansson being able to hurt or knock out guys like Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Vitali Klitschko, Oliver McCall, David Tua clueless little kid.

 

Nearly two years have passed since the first post in this thread. Do you think Usyk would beat Joe Louis too?

 

Why not? Schmeling wasn't the most constant fighter, nor did he have the best chin. He lost a few more times than a great should have and vs lesser completion I might add. Max was a good boxer with a hard right hand, a counter punch and ring smarts.

 

Being 230 lbs makes somebody a good fighter now?

Bob Baker who sometimes came in around 230 lbs thought Satterfield at 180 lbs was no threat and found out the hard way when Satterfield crushed him. Satterfield also dropped Nino Valdez like a sack of potatoes.

Also Johansson completely flattened Machen in way that Frazier and Liston couldn’t and he destroyed Hein Ten Hoff, who was 6’4.5” (boxrec has his height wrong) and over 220 lbs.

 

Any credibility you had, which was next to none, you just lost. Congratulations for being the clueless poster of the month!

 

Weird since no where in my post did I state you automatically a great fighter once you started to weigh 230.

Yeah you mean Ten Hoff who was a bum? Because clearly Hoff was better than Lennox Lewis right? Johassnon fought a guy named Archie Mcbride and couldn't stop him while 6 others did. So your point of Frazier a young Frazier taking longer to knock out Machen who ran proves nothing. Styles make fights. So naming one fighter that Johanssen beat quicker than young small Joe Frazier clearly means Johannson punched harder than Mike Tyson, Foreman, Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, David Tua right? Man you do have some brilliant logic. Nino Valdez wasn't good compared to modern fighters. Nino Valdez also started his career weighing 175 pounds. Valdez was also knocked out by a guy named Julio Larzaro Lopez a 170-180 pound guy in 3 rounds. So I guess Lopez is a even harder puncher right? So you will pick what points you want to use to prove your point.

Also how did Bob Satterfield weigh 230 for his bout with Bob Satterfield. I will assume you ment Cleveland Williams a lighter guy. You bore me. Go type to these other clueless old time guys who still believe weight classes have no meaning. Go type to these these old guy who can't understand how much boxing has evolved from the 1930's. You aren't worth of my attention.

 

My point was styles make fights not size and history has proven this time and time again. Also, as great as Lennox was he avoided Byrd, who would’ve been a difficult style matchup and willingly gave up his title. I have no doubt Johansson could’ve knocked out Lennox if he landed clean with his right.