I'd pick Oleksander Usyk to beat Max Schmeling

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Sep 10, 2017.


Am I crazy?

  1. Yes, you're crazy.

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  2. No, you're not crazy but I don't agree with you

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  3. Usyk wins.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    His cruiserweight era was one of the strongest, and the stock of his victims will continue to rise.
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    In Schmeling day a legit champion faced legit challengers who had beat legit contenders.

    No matter how good a champion looks today, without a legit champion facing legit challengers who had beat legit contenders how can you compare?

    In real terms, Usyk just beat a legit contender who had lost his last fight.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, he was battering men weighing 215 in the ring before he ever set foot in “hw”. Bit of a golden generation, too.

    Even if you only allow the weigh in weights he’s probably beaten on average bigger fighters than oh, I don’t know…Rocky Marciano.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I agree. I was not talking so much about size this time. I was talking about comparable legitimacy for comparisons sake.

    when Schmeling beat Joe Louis he was beating the outstanding contender of that generation. A contender with legitimate wins over more legitimate opponents than is possible today. And this was not even a world title fight!

    hunter, Gasiev, Belew, Bredis and Huck are all fine wins. Commendable. but if you examine the resume of these guys there’s more filler and manufactured matchmaking than you will find, on average, among 1930s rated men.

    And that is not Usyks fault. That’s just how it is.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Aj has beaten loads of ranked guys. So has Usyk. Not sure what you’re on about tbh.

    If you’re point is you can never pick a modern fighter over a 1930s one because the guys they beat didn’t beat guys as good as the guys that the modern fighters beat when they got beat :lol: I reject it utterly.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Too big and powerful.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    no my point is, upon comparison, the legitimacy is not the same if much less of a career is spent climbing over opponents coming off their own legitimate wins than the guys who earned their bones in those days. There was no mention of “never” about it actually. Usyk is a wonderful fighter. I approve of him.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    They all need my approval don’t you know. Lol.
     
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  10. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk not fought many ranked heavyweights
     
  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought the days when people try to turn Joshua into some kind of monster are gone.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm convinced. Usyk has the best engine I've ever seen on a guy that big, and he's the best technician I've ever seen that size, too. He's a tough ******* and very, very quick. At 6'3, 215lb with the gifts he has, I think he's very much in the conversation of best head to head heavyweights. And he's closer to number one than he is to Max Schmeling IMO.
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Max Schmeling had a real good right hand that handed the great Joe Louis his first defeat in 1936. Usyk was successful in his first title defense against Anthony Joshua, but showed signs of vulnerability, eating right hands as though they were a desert after dinner. I think Max takes this one late after Usyk is full from right hands.
     
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  14. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    This Choklab is relentlessly dumb.
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You can’t answer a question but Im the dumb one?

    you said usyk beats every champion pre Liston. I am holding you to that. You won’t back it up.

    I asked you if you said the same thing after Michael Spinks beat Larry Holmes.