Athletes are (on average) getting bigger across most sports. One of the hot topics today seems to be "how can a little HW like David Haye at 215 possibly compete with the 6'8" giant Vitali Klitschko" (and a million variations on this theme). Wasn't that long ago where Haye would have been average sized, and considered "big" not long before that. Can a Tyson / Tua sized fighter be a serious threat? (without exceptional, miraculous talent) It seems that 6' 2" and shorter fighters hardly need apply. Same thing for 220lb and smaller guys. Seems, in fact, that being less than 6' 4" and 235lbs puts a guy at a serious disadvantge. Funny that a prime George Foreman would not be a particularily large fighter, yet he was a monster not long ago. Is there an "ideal" size that tomorrow's Up and Coming heavyweights need to achieve in order to be effective?
Yep. I guess the tall guys that get too fat to play basketball will have to just become football players or boxers. Only way someone small is going to have a chance against someone way bigger than them is if they're bringing alot of skills to the fight, or if they're KO'ing the big guy. Perfect examples would be Tye Fields vs Barrett, where Tye Fields was big but a poor boxer, he got nailed on the chin & that was the end. Another example is Barrett vs Valuev, Valuev was just too big for Barrett to take out. He hit him with good shots but Valuev took them, and Barrett couldn't do anything else so he ended up getting KO'd. Last example is Peter vs Vitali, you seen Peter get blasted all nite because he was too short to get in. & when Peter fought Wlad, after Wlad recovered, he kept Peter away. Little guys beating up big guys isn't real boxing.
Tyson was listed at 5 11, but, actually was a lot smaller than that. He always came in at close to 220, but, that weight did not affect him. It all depends on the fighter's skill level. Tyson was a small heavyweight, but, he sure packed a "heavyweight" punch. I don't think size has anything to do with it.
Not so fast. Jess Willard, the dude who managed to beat Jack Johnson, was 6'6"1/2. That's the biggest heavyweight ever, until the 50's, when Primo Carnera entered the ring. Both were finally outsized by Vitali. Now, as far as having the unfair advantage goes, I can't say that's true. Vitali uses his size advantages well, but I wouldn't bet on him against a prime Tyson. Think Tyson's too small? Consider this...6'5" Carnerra got knocked down 12 times by 6'2" Max Baer and even inspired a movie ("The Bigger They Are, The Harder They Fall). So much for size advantage. As for the giant Willard. He got clobbered something awful by 193lb little Jack Dempsey: "Dempsey dealt Willard a terrible beating and knocked him down seven times in the first round. Willard had a broken cheekbone, broken jaw, several teeth knocked out, partial hearing loss in one ear, and broken ribs." Bigger doesn't always mean better.
Some good points. Sadly, your prediction about tall guys already seems to be coming true! :huh I agree about ridiculous size mismatches not being what boxing is all about. After all, that's why there are so many weight classes. Lennox Lewis - Klitschko Era is all about the huge fighter. (Technically about the huge, heavy and relatively old fighter). However, boxing does not need another weight class, I don't think we need to add a super Heavy Weight division. And increasing CW to 210lbs wouldn't really do it, a 220lb heavy is still small! I'd say that 6' 4" and 235lbs is now the "minimum" standard for up and coming HW boxers. The example of Monte B. vs. Fields vs. Valuev is interesting. If Monte had another couple of inches and 10 to 15lbs, Valuev would probably have lost (and probably not have given him a match!!).
If guys weren't so tall, they wouldn't even exist. Tye Fields wouldn't be a boxer & Wlad wouldn't be a champ
How many "high quality" large heavyweights did Mike fight / beat? And look at Tua vs. Lennox, that was boring and one sided. The small guy really has to get lucky. I think Prime Lewis beats Prime Tyson, and a prime Vitali probaby would too.
Exactly! These "freaks" are wrecking boxing! Therefore, I think HW boxing will attract more and more large misfits, where size will be used to compensate for skill.
I agree, it doesn't always mean better, but it sure helps. Neither Willard nor Primo are exactly ATG material. Baer wasn't tiny by 1930's standards, and I believe Carnera had a broken ankle and kept on fighting. Wasn't Willard quite old too?
Good points. True, neither Willard nor Primo were ATG material. Not even close. Willard was a farm boy dug up by a frantic, racist public looking for the next great white hope to beat Johnson. I actually felt bad for Willard. He was just some nice dude put into a position where he didn't belong. Sure he managed to beat an old Johnson, but once they put him in with that killer Dempsey, he got knocked six ways from Sunday. And Carnera was a pawn of the mob. The Italian hero who couldn't stand up in an honest fight. Klitcko seems to have what neither of the others did: good boxing skills, athletic ability and a great punch. But he's a rarity among giants. Look at Valuev. He's enormous, but he looks lethargic in the ring and doesn't hit all that hard. Put a Philly runt like Frasier in there with him and the fight would be over in 4.
LoL. The result of this fight would draw alot of more fans to the sport. This 5'10" guy KO'ing this 7ft guy, new fans would come to the sport.