if 10 years ago, people would have told me about what folks say about RJJ..........

Good post. Doesn't help matters that he's been hanging on for 5 or 6 years too many.

 

Agreed, and it doesn't. But it tarnishes it in people's eyes. Last impressions can be lasting impressions.

 

The disrespect he gets on this forum is so wrong, ignorant, and foolish, completely undeserving of a actual ATG and first ballet HOFer when he retires.

Most people who are talking are haters, who have hated him since his heyday. They will hate even after he is retired. There is nothing you can do besides block their postings.

 

he's not an ATG. If you take any very good boxer in history, and discount their career from when they started to lose, then they will all look amazing.

and bull****, Roy wasn't 60% when he lost Tarver, he lost because his chin ain't that good.

You can be a very skilled boxer, like RJJ was, but you can never be a great if your chin can't get you through trouble. You have to have all round attributes.

Just as you can't believe what people are saying about him now compared to ten years ago, then I can't believe people such as yourself still spew **** about RJJ being 60% when he lost to Tarver. Just ****ing wake up.

 

and I'm not a hater, I'm a fan of Roy's, I just don't believe he's a boxing god. Sorry.

 

O .. M... F...G? Are you serious????? Are you really going to make a argument for him not being a ATG? What ATG list is Jones not on? He is even on Bert sugars list, very low, but still in there.

You don't have to be a boxing God to be a ATG. Perhaps you want to explain what a ATG is? Did anyone say he was G.O.A.T or even close to it? Perhaps you would like to explain what you consider a ATG and name all the fighters that you have over Jones for such a ranking??????????

You just proved yourself a hater with this.

 

That's silly. So, a guy can be the best around, but when his tank is empty and he is no longer the fighter he used to be, then he was never any good?

I am not a big Jones fan, but I recognize his talents. The guy was a spectacular fighter. His chin was never the same after he moved all the way up to HW and then back down. It happens. He should have retireed 5 or 6 years ago. But he kept fighting, whether it was for money or love of the sport or delusions of grandeur, it doesn't take away from what he did when he was at his best. The guy is 5-5 in his last 10 fights and is 41 years old. Which fighter is more indicative of Roy Jones Jr's talents? That one, or the guy who went from MW to HW racking up titles?

Let me guess, a JC fan?

 

don't get your panties in a twist there. You clearly have some sort of fixation on RJJ, so there's little point in discussing this with you. But as I said, an ATG has to have all round attributes, Roy's chin just ain't good enough. Hope he beats Hopkins. It will be a great day.

 

Nah.. you are definitely a hater, to not consider him a ATG... that is just ridiculous.

This is an example of what this thread is about. The complete disrespect for a fighter of Jones caliber in his prime and his achievements is simply terrible. And to imagine this is all a result of him getting KTFO passed his prime or on his decline.

 

Guy he is a ATG...! Jones in his prime was something amazing. Judge his chin and ability there. His punch resistance was not as bad as it is now, and regardless of the fact, there are ATG's who did not have iron chins, if you are going by that alone. It's ridiculous for you even to say such a thing. You will have to name a 100, no not a 100, can you even name 50 guys who you can honestly put as ATG's over Jones? Hell 40 even? I'd make a argument if you spoke bad about Chavez, or any other fighter that deserves more than this nonsense. I have no idea why you or any of these guys are judging ATG status by ones years when they are past their prime. You judge the prime years for their status.

 

Ahem, bull****, ahem......


If you don't have a guy who spent almost 10% of modern boxings history as the best pound for pound fighter inthe world as an ATG, then you are criminally biased.



Keith

 

I never mentioned having an iron chin is needed to be an ATG, but I do believe a solid chin is needed. Personal opinion.

Lou Del Valle fought a prime RJJ, if Lou had half the skills and confidence of Roy, he could have pressed for a TKO but he didn't.

So where are putting Roy in your list? Personally, the more 'ATG's there are, the more diluted the term 'All Time Great' is. Are you saying all the top 100 boxers are ATG's? Nah.

 

not bull****. Do you not think it's possible to be a fan of a boxer without wanting to suckle on his balls?