If 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Antonio Gin.....

It was also revealed that Elvis didn't die, but went into hiding. :yep

 

How good was Gin as a fighter? How did that one guy find out it was Gin and not Cueves? He just figured it out since Cueves was no where near San Antonio to spar Tony? I am glad they cleared it up. I didn't think Cueves would have let Tony beat him up.

 

Duran,Ayala's father, and anyone else involved would be sowing mailbags in Sing Sing for the last 30-odd years

 

If Mr Ayala was foolish enough to throw his kid in the ring with Roberto..

Maybe the kid hangs in there for 2 rounds, maybe 3.

But what would that prove......

If it was a scheduled 10-Rounder,,,,,,,,who would bet that Mr. Ayala calls a halt to
the gym-bout in 5-Rounds.
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Antonio Gin,,,,,,,,Born June 1954........5' 8"
* 1972 Mexican Amateur 132 lb. Lightweight Champion
* Record entering the Olympics.........46-8
* 1972 Olympics competed at (-60 kg) 132 lbs. Lightweight
* Lost in the Third Round of the Tournament (L KO1 to Charlie Nash)

* 1973 Mexican Amateur 139 lb. Light-Welterweight Champion
* Amateur Career Record...............65-13

* Turned Professional.....July 1974
* Won first 7-bouts......7-0-0 (3 KO's)
* August 1975.....Lost first bout....(L KO 4) to Claude Durden..at..Lightweight (135 lbs.)
* 1976/1977...... Competed at Light-Welterweight and Welterweight
* Posted a record of 10-3-1 (2 KO's) over that span
* August 1977......Had a record of 17-4-1 (5 KO's)
* August 1977..... Sparred with Tony Ayala Jr.
* Last Professional Bout.... August 1978
* Career Record.....19-6-1 (7 KO's)

 

According to BoxRec, Gin had 3 professional bouts, 2 in 1974, one in 75...all at LWW.

Why would he need to spar with Tony in 1977? For fun?

 

LA,,,

Box/Rec does not have complete records on many of the FECARBOX, Central American,
Mexican and South American boxers.

Maybe Antonio Gin was a gym-sparring partner in San Antonio also.

??? in 1977, was Tony Ayala Jr. some sort of 'World Recognized Fighter'.

I had never heard of him back then.

 

Maybe?

What is the website that lists that supposed 1978 fight he had.

There are no fights for Antonio Gin after 1975. Name a website more accurate than BoxRec, and I'll check it for myself.

Again, name the source saying that Pipino was nowhere near San Antonio in the summer 1977.

 

This is an interesting topic. Problem is this is 35 years ago now and too long ago to really find out if it was Cueves or Gin. Just a long time ago. The question I have is if it was Cueves and he was getting beaten up, one sharp left hook to the head or body and he would knock Tony down. There is no way he would be beaten up for long unless he didn't want to hurt Tony because Tony was 14. I am not sure what I think about the whole thing. I would think either it was Gin and Ayala did well, or it was Cueves who didn't want to hurt the young fighter.

 

Mag145,

The only information that I could come up with, is that Antonio Gin worked out at the
San Fernando Gym in 1977.

Would make sense that he could possibly be the sparring/work-out partner for
Tony Ayala Jr. At 5' 8" 145 lbs. or so, and a Pipino Cuevas fan who resembled the
World Champion in looks and in style.