If 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Cuevas....

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  1. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    There were several young fighters like Tony Ayala being built up on television in the 1980s.
    Some became solid contenders, a few become champs, most fell by the wayside or became fringe contenders at best.

    Some respected voices raved about Ayala, the best they had seen in years etc, but you can never tell with that sort of hype. The legend and hype continued to grow when he went to jail.

    The guy was a real sicko, he should never have been let out of jail.
    According to wikipedia, he'll be out again next year. :-(
     
  2. Legend X

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    Looking at the Ayala fights now, it's actually quite shocking how ordinary he looked. Hype machine was in full gear for that one.
    The kid had raw talent - heavy hands, aggression and a willingness to fight. But not much else. At 19 years old, he deserved to be regarded as a good prospect. Crazy how they had him hyped as the next big thing though.
     
  3. I am Legion

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    Sorry but you're very wrong about this. I used to read every fight magazine going and not one ever said Ayala had a chance of beating Duran. Look at the evidence, ignore the hype and use your boxing knowledge (if you have any). Ayala was an 18 yr old prospect, nothing more nothing less.
    :hi::hi::hi::hi:
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    I Am Legion,,,,,,,

    Correct El Mundo',,,,,,,,,,

    Though Tony Ayala Jr. was talented,,,,,,,,,,it was 'mucho hype' by Lou Duva and
    Company to promote him.

    Put him in the ring with 'selected opponents' and make him look indestructible.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Even that didn't work.

    Seriously, the Ayala huggers on here are the biggest ******s on the internet.
     
  6. redrooster

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    counterpunches and angles :lol:

    You think Tony's going to BOX with him?

    look what happened in the Hearns fight. Did Tommy give Duran the time to give him angles?
     
  7. Flea Man

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    You are a spastic. The footage of Ayala shows he was ****. So why do you persist??!!?
     
  8. redrooster

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    I didnt see them picking Duran to win either

    No way is Duran winning this. Tony is the naturally bigger guy.

    bigger boned, stronger, younger, meaner, harder hitting and just approaching his best years

    facing a an ex champ who wasnt that big a threat to the division and even went on went on to lose his next fight

    people say "oh, Duran would only have lost to the two champions during that time, Hearns N Benitez who are all time greats b/c Leonard beat them"

    Laing beat him and beat him good. Duran just couldnt keep up with younger fighters any more than Leonard could

    So please dont believe the hype that Duran would counterpunch and give him angles, leading to his defeat. Just take it with a grain of salt like I did

    Tony wouldnt even feel his punches and Duran's too flatfooted to outbox him.

    That's why I said it would take a guy like Mike Second To Nunn. The man was slick, quick, and made fighters sick. Not sure if he could handle Tony either

    Duran will tire out before the relentless assault of the younger, hungrier man, much like Sugar Ray Leonard did before then "unproven" Terry Norris

    Duran holds on just long enough to lose on points.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Davey Moore was clearly a far superior fighter to Ayala, and probably would've starched him inside a round or two. Give it up.
     
  10. redrooster

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    that's not what a poll of experts showed. The poll concluded that Davey would lose.

    Duran didnt have enough of the fire to hold back Ayala who had too much smoke in his attack. I believe this wouldve been repeat of lamotta - Janiro back in the 40s, a brutal beating that took place inthe ring but lasted the full route

    None of the jr middles of that time were safe, including Tommy Hearns, Benitez, Moore, McCallum, all them guys. The only way they could be kept safe and hold onto their titles was to litarally eliminate the competiton.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Yeah, he was **** mate, **** off. Watch the footage. Crap fighter.

    Moore clearly had enough power to stop the guy we've seen get dropped by a NOBODY just a page before.
     
  12. redrooster

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    I seen the footage before u were born

    "See the footage" :patsch

    maybe u should see the footage of Moore. :yep

    Wasnt he the guy on the Hagler-Leonard undercard?

    How come he clearly didnt have the power to stop Aquino? :lol:
     
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    some people! They're just so IGNORANT!
     
  14. Shake

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    Yeah, a 14-year old kid coming forward and pressuring Duran, that's a formula for success.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    He clearly had the power to stop Kalule.