If 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Cuevas....

Nope, you're just ****ing deluded my son.

 

i'm older than u. How can I be your son?

 

Rooster... I actually can't take you seriously now... I'm being serious... The fact that you actually think an UNPROVEN PROSPECT.. WOULD beat Duran throws all your credibility out the door. If you wouldn't said.. "has a slim chance" I still would've laughed but it would've been more reasonable. However, your stance is simple too silly to actually be true.

 

Here's one,,,,,,,,,

Lou Duva turned down Nino Gonzalez and Rusty Rozenberger as August 1981 opponents
for the future 'Greatest Talent in Boxing'.

Mr. Duva did approve,,,,,,,,,,,,Nicanor Camacho though.

 

I'll repeat again, it's shocking how ordinary Ayala actually looks in reviewing the fights years later.
I remember him being over-hyped and over-rated, but it's ridiculous when you look at the fights again compared to what they were saying then.
Another thing you notice is he didn't look like a proper light-middle. He probably should have been down at 140.

The only reason anyone made Jake LaMotta comparisons is because Raging Bull was in the cinemas, and I guess they knew Ayala was some sort of *******.

In all seriousness, Joe Mesi justified hype more than Ayala did. And Mesi's received a ton more scepticism about his abilities too.

To be fair to Ayala, he was young enough to have been given attention as a tremendous prospect, but he wasn't even the brightest prospect at that weight.
Mugabi would have killed him, for a start.

 

Kalule would've sparked him worse than he did Ho Joo.

 

I'm in my 70s. Son.

 

Ayala looks like a poor man`s Fernando Vargas.:good

Moore wouldve had an outstanding chance of beating Ayala.

 

Ayala just looks ultra basic, loads up on every shot.

I've seen all the 'prime' footage there is of him and his power seems the accumulative
sort.

Really struggle to see why he has his fanboys :huh Nothing special at all, and not the kinda' guy you'd want to big up anyway.

He and James Kirkland would be a good scrap. As has been noted above, Ayala looked small at 154 and always soft around the belly. Obviously they were chasing big money with him but I see him losing to most at that time at 154/160 and I doubt he'd be arsed to be cutting in those days.

Was never going anywhere for so many reasons.

 

Don't think Tony Ayala Jr. could have ever made 147 lbs.

Though a bit smallish at a tad over 5' 7", he was thick-chested and
thicker around the middle than most 154 lb. fighters.

Remember in 1977 and 1978 he was fighting at 156 lbs. as an amateur, and
165 lbs. in 1979 as an amateur middleweight.

So the 155 lb. weight range was perfect for him. But at 160 lbs., there was no
way he would have been a dominant force. Not with the talent out there at that time.

As for the 154' Junior-Middleweight Title,,,,,,,,,,what did Eddie Gazo, Masashi Kudo
and Tadashi Mihara accomplish that 'El Torito' couldn't.

 

Kudo is one of the greatest pure boxers of the modern era

 

lots of fighters are unproven even when they challenge for titles

It was said Foreman was unproven cuz all u saw were no names month after month.

They said no way when Richie Sandoval challenged for the title but won every round & stripped the title from a dominant champion

people just tend to underestimate certain fighters and that's the case here

I could go into so many more here up against heavy favorites; Terry Norris, Lloyd Honeyghan, Buster Douglas

ususally, I pick fighters who have the superior physical attibutes over the opponent and that's what we have here

in fact, just about evrywhere u look, Tony has the edge over Duran: youth, strength, power and much the hungrier of the two fighters

Lok over Duran over Laing & Batten and you'll see I'm right

 

Davey Moore had more 'advantages' over Duran, and Duran beat the hell out of him.

 

Kudo would be way too strong for Ayala, and beat him to the punch with constant straights all night.

 

Duran is even the harder puncher.