If a boxer completely dominates a round but suffers a KD, how should the round be scored?

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If a boxer completely dominates a round but suffers a KD, how should the round be scored?

  1. 10-8 for the party that dominated but scored the KD.

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  2. 10-9 for the same, if you believe the adversary truly dominated, enough to completely offset the KD.

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  3. 10-10 if you felt the dropped party was so dominant as to have otherwise deserved a 10-8.

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  1. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    10-9 since a knockdown can be a flash KD or even a slip, and it seems unfair to punish a fighter for minor cockups.

    If a fighter suffers a flash KD due to balance issues or a slippery canvas but dominates and hurts the opponent and nearly has them ready to go why the hell should that be scored a two point lead in the opponent's favour? What's so special about being knocked off your feet?
     
  2. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, it is. It has exactly the same effect as scoring the round 9-9.
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Scoring the rounds 5-4 would have a similar effect as 10-9. It’s ten point must and penalties are separated from rounds.
     
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  4. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scoring a round 10-9 and deducting a point from the fighter who won the round for an infringement that took place during that same round has the same effect as scoring it 9-9.

    That is what I am saying.
    Are you disputing this?
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You guys are stuck on a semantic tangent which ultimately just distracts from the larger (and more important and edifying) issue here.

    You're both kind of right and kind of wrong. Technically, yes, NoNeck is correct that point deductions are separate from the RBR scoring. That said, however, functionally DavidC77 is correct that in no way does that not amount to essentially the same thing as having a 10-9 round where the winner is deducted a point marked down as being a 9-9 round. There's no harm in expressing it that way, even if we all understand that per the letter of the rules the judges are supposed to mark it 10-9 and then (outside the column) subtract a point from the deducted fighter's total.

    It doesn't matter.

    What does matter here, and is the overarching salient point here, is that you can do that with point deductions for a foul. You can not do that for knockdowns. The point "lost" for being knocked down is never compulsory. The point deducted by the referee, is. Point deductions for a foul and knockdowns are treated differently, which is where I think a lot of fans get tripped up on the whole ten point must system. You can, for shortcut purposes, mark a round down as 9-9 if the winner of the round has a point deducted - but you may not score a round 9-9 because the fighter that won got knocked down. The protocol for deductions is compulsory loss of a point from the fighter committing the infraction (whether you're deducting it from the individual round or from the cumulative total outside the RBR columns, it truly doesn't make a lick of difference; it all boils down to being the same mathematically) - whereas the protocol for a knockdown is far more subjective and open-ended, with the only real compulsory factor being that somebody must get ten points for that round (unless there's a compulsory deduction from a ref for a foul).
     
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  6. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can't be bothered reading that, sorry.

    I'm saying 10 - 1 = 9

    If anyone wants to explain why this is wrong then I would love to hear their reasons.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    For deductions from a foul you can do that, yes (although it's just a shorthand, and technically deductions should come at the very end)

    For knockdowns you can not.
     
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  8. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks.

    That's all I've been saying.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    You should read it, you'd know what he was on about if you did. You're right if it was a foul, not a KD.
     
  10. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    I wonder, if Fury's chin turns out completely averse to Wilders right hand, and Wilder cannot box for ****......
    Then, how many KD's does Wilder need to beat him in the 2nd fight.......hmmmmmmmmmmm
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    NoNeck's point is important, though, in that on the actual official scorecards it IS in fact ten-point must. I'll demonstrate:

    In the first round, TweedleDee drops TweedleDum. In the next round, TweedleDee dominates but lands a flagrant intentional rabbit punch and is penalized. In round three, he continues dominating but just before the bell TweedleDee suffers a flash KD. Here is how that's all expressed on a professional judge's card:


    .....TweedleDee.....TweedleDum....total
    R1....10...................8.....................(10-8 Dee)
    R2....10...................9......................(-1 for Dee, so 9-9, total now 19-17)
    R3....9 (or 8)...........10....................(you can give Dum a 10-8 round for the knockdown, or credit Dee with dominating by "only' giving it to Dum 10-9...so total is now 28-27 Dee or 27 apiece, depending)

    So you can think of round 2 as being "9-9" as something of a shortcut like I said, but in point of fact it actually is 10-9 (-1 from Dee, to be shaved off later).

    You see, though, how the baseline score in each round (prior to calculating ref deductions for a foul) has somebody awarded ten points, no matter what? That is what is meant by ten point must.

    I've now explained this all VERY thoroughly and politely. If you "cannot be bothered" to read and comprehend this explanation, and you then continue to disseminate ignorant misinformation to further obfuscate a subject many already find confusing, then I cannot be bothered to let you continue posting here. :rosstheboss
     
  12. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And I was talking about fouls... So we agree that I'm right.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeeeeeah...so long as you realize that property of the protocol for deductions (for a foul) isn't transitive, and cannot be applied to knockdowns...
     
  14. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We're talking about different things here...

    Never mind.
     
  15. RingKing75

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    So now you want to talk point deductions? Obviously thats different come on man. You clowns love posing a question not getting the answer you want then changing the discussion. Did you really need it to be spelled out for you? My bad. Its a ten point must system as long as there are no fouls. Im sorry I didnt make that clear as I gave you the benefit of the doubt that we were having a discussion and not a pissing contest. The point I made was to point out the absurdity of your original question although I admit a bit hyperbolic.
     
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