If a fighter damages his body with drugs (say), is he past his Prime?

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  1. TheGrimReaper

    TheGrimReaper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I heard a few boxers have tried marijuana
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Since virtually every boxer does drugs after having a taste of success (which need not equal winning a title), i would say: no.

    However, it is not that black-and-white.

    For instance, Pinklon Thomas, an excellent fighter, has had a long history of drug problems. His peak was probably the Weaver fight in '84. He was still in his prime (though not peak) in '87 against Tyson. But a mere one year later, he was completely washed up against Holyfield. Either he went back to cocaine to live with the mental shock of being destroyed by Tyson, or the years of using it took their toll.

    Other example, Gerry Cooney. After the Holmes fight he was mentally damaged and started using drugs. After that he was never the same. Particularly in the Foreman fight, he was totally shot. He was past his prime against Spinks, too.

    A guy like Sugar Ray Leonard, i believe, did drugs after his first retirement which was before he fought Hagler. And despite he was inactive and not as good as he used to be, i would say he was still in his prime against Hagler, despite having been on drugs.


    So, it is not clear cut and depends on the case.

    It also seems that drugs and boxing are the fastest way to brain damage. Ask Meldrik Taylor, Whitaker or Benitez (you won't be able to understand his answer though, very sad). The irony is that the latter two of those three were great defensive fighters.
     
  3. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    The experts will no doubt be along shortly to explain.
     
  4. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    We have experts here who can explain these things.

    They have access to medical and scientific technology that no-one else does.

    They also have nature itself pinned.

    You will notice them. They talk about "prime" with the utmost certainty.

    As I say, they can calculate Prime to the nearest nanosecond.
     
  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    But how do you know he is in his Prime?

    How do you know that he has not been damaged by the small amount of shots he has taken?

    How do you know that the weight that he fights at will not affect him?

    How do you know that he is not under motivated?

    How do you know that he is not highly motivated?

    And should (the experts will inform you of the correct answer eventually) this not be used as an excuse for him if he loses to Hatton?

    How do you know that Hatton has not been badly affected by the shots he has taken/lifestyle?

    How do us mortals calculate the variables?
     
  6. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    I am off again - the experts are currently calculating the correct answer.

    I do not want to rush them. The slightest mistake will throw everything into chaos.
     
  7. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    OK, I am back.

    So, the experts are not here yet.

    Shall we continue to speculate?

    I will speculate that Hatton's last opponent was mentally tougher than he had ever been, and it actually was his peak performance therefore*

    *Do not respond to this - I do not want you people being side tracked.

    But please, continue the relevant discussion.
     
  8. standing 8

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    If a fighter does enough drugs to the point of not being able to preform effectively in the ring I would say that he was past it.
     
  9. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Why? He is a professional and in your scenario it simply shows that he lacks the skill to perform.
     
  10. carras

    carras Well-Known Member Full Member

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    some drugs, if are comsumed a lot can do a lot of damage to the brain, that affects coordination, reflexes and reaction time, so I say yes.
     
  11. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    take JAMES PAGE FROM PITTSBURG CA. he was a good fighter when on top of everything but the dude just could give up the drug he would get served all day .

    he was a pretty good fighterm check out his fight with lewis he was clearly on one in that fight his eyes wer all glossy adn red when he entered the ring so yes drugs can have an affect on a fighters prime just like physical damage.
     
  12. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Jazzo, serious question. Do you have any mental disorder like a slight form of autism?