if a fighter has over 30 pro fights....

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  1. The Shockmaster

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    Ward barely leaving cali for the same money ggg got .....golvkin ain't as big as you people think

    Why u mentioning ward going to England for froch ...u guys all said ward ain't sell nothing anyway...ward fsns don't claim he's some big superstar to the world like ggg fans do....big stars don't travel
     
  2. GGGunbeatable

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    Golovkin would be a big draw, if he would be American. You guys forget that he's seen as a Russian. Liberal America did everything they could to villainize whole East Europe and parts of Asia. Only hardcore fans and Kazakh immigrants are willing to pay for GGG in the US, that's why in this context 150k was a huge number. He made good money but he will most likely not make the big numbers like Floyd. Floyd is in his country and has 42 Million African Americans who will have most likely symphaty towards him.

    I really do not get you with these absurd comparisons. The US is a third world country among developed nations. No healthcare, insanely high student debts, millions of homeless, racism, a divided nation, poverty, gang violence, drug abuse, trillions of debts spend for wars tey can not win but nevertheless, the big companies and money is there for the elite, for celebrities, for sportsmen.

    The people who organize the fights in Vegas, they have money the Brits can only dream of. Boxing is only a second thought for them. It's about casinos, advertising. Who knows how much the promoters, managers and fighters really get.

    Furthermore, it's the history of boxing. All the big fights when boxing was an almost exclusive American sport, were in certain arenas and it's the dream of many boxers nowadays to fight there, where their idols fought.

    Not many are as lucky as the Klitschko brothers but thanks to German mastermind Bernd Bönte, they were able to make more money in Germany and fill more stadiums than most boxers in the US. It was a long way and I am actually still suprised that the Klitschkos became such a big thing in Germany while Huck, Sturm, Abraham or Brähmer can only dream of their success. Sauerland or Universum were nothing compared to K2.

    You should rather ask yourself why the UFC is taking boxing over in the US in every aspect rather then why an American fighter has more fans in America than a Kazakh or Ukrainan fighter who can hardly speak English. Golovkin would fill stadiums in Kazakhstan and TV numbers would be huge but it's a small, poor nation. Same about the Phillippines. They have other problems to deal with rather than establishing a market that could compete with the US.

    The US already has an established market for boxing. The UK is currently like a teenager with a brigh future in terms of marketing of boxing. Russia has also a decent market but their top boxers are at CW, which isn't popular and they had no hope in a young Kovalev, which is why he moved to the US. Povetkin is avoided and wild accusations about drug use which didn't happen after the whole drama was exposed ruined one of the biggest fights that could happen there.
     
  3. theanatolian

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    I'm mentioning Ward going to England for Froch because he would've had a higher payday and there wouldn't have been anything wrong it. There's nothing wrong with a star leaving his home turf for a higher payday just like in the examples I gave in my previous post.
     
  4. The Shockmaster

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    If golvkin were the star u guys make him out to be the payday against brook would have been there, or near it, in the us.....but it wasn't

    U guys claim he's some star selling out arenas and that ward can't sell out at home ...yet ggg is traveling for money that ward is making for a half hour plane ride
     
  5. The Shockmaster

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    This was the biggest pile of tripe I've ever seen
     
  6. GGGunbeatable

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    You didn't even read.
     
  7. The Shockmaster

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    "Ward don't sell....ward can't sell in his hometown ...ward ain't relevant "

    While golvkin goes across the pond for a payday that ward is getting for a half hour plane ride
     
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    Noone claims he's a big draw like May/Pac or a Mexican/Puerta Rican star, but he IS one of the bigger draws. Wlad sold out arenas in Germany and a big household name and he travelled for bigger money. It's normal, get over it. Ward is fighting the most anticipated bout of the year, there's no comprasion in that area.

    And when have I ever said Ward can't sell?
     
  9. The Shockmaster

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    Oh I did...and I regret it....I'm now more dumb for it
     
  10. The Shockmaster

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    Are u going to pretend like droves of ggg fans didn't say ward can't sell and joked about it endlessly even if u yourself didn't ?

    Are u comparing Wlad coming to us to a us based fighter traveling to Europe for his biggest payday ? they are complete opposites
     
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    Ward is the best American fighter, and probably one of the best p4p fighters in all combat sports, so of course he has a fanbase and can sell. And I wasn't neccesarily referring to Wlad travelling to US. He also travelled to Russia and was going to travel to UK.
     
  12. The Shockmaster

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    Don't pretend like GG fans didn't say ward can't sell...that was their basis for not fighting him at 168...."can't sell in joke land ...irrelevant"

    So u think a guy who isn't cotto, canelo, floyd or pac deserves more than 10 mil against canelo? cause we heard that one too nonstop

    Guys that go across the pond for the same money ward is getting aren't big stars and don't deserve more than 10 mil for across canelo fight ....plain and simple

    Now tell me didn't day those things lime across hundred ggg fans didn't and u didn't see them say it
     
  13. The Shockmaster

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    anatolian...this is why nobody takes golovkin fans/apologists seriously besides other fan/apologists

    they all claimed ward aint relevant and brings no money and doesnt sell and thats why ggg didnt wanna fight ward at 168...yet hes going to vegas for the same money golovkin had to travel for....despite ggg being pushed heavily by hbo and being all over the network the last 4 years and supposedly being some superstar in boxing

    yesterday i posed a question too...if ward wins....will ggg want to fight him? since hell now be relevant and fairly big money fight? sanchez said a few weeks ago ggg can beat anyone at 175....and loeffler and sanchez have stated that a ward fight is possible down the road....yet we have guys like ringdink75 and others saying "why should ggg fight ward...hes 175 now...why? cause u think he should"? LOL
     
  14. theanatolian

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    I don't agree with GGG fans as far as Ward goes , at all. As for the offer from Canelo , when you receive a flat fee offer from a year out, It means you're guarenteed to negotiate a better deal until It actually comes through. I'm not sure how much GGG deserves, but He'll definetly get more than what Khan made which was around 13 mill.
     
  15. The Shockmaster

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    what exactly is golovkin going to do, since he cant seem to get jacobs in the ring, to get that offer raised? this of course assuming he cant get jacobs...maybe he does and that could help.....but if he doesnt how does he raise his standing?

    but somewhere along the line someone is going to stick it to golovkin again.....if ward wins they are gonna go tell him to go fight ward and prove something.....what if oscar is trying to avoid the fight and says "who have you fought/beaten....you didnt like our last offer? how about 8 million now".....

    canelo will still find guys to fight for money.....who will ggg find?