If a fighter knows he's past his best and could lose due to it...

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  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Do you condone retirement? Say in the case of Lennox Lewis where cuts were the reason he got away with being "past his best" against a young lion who was in the process of tearing him up.

    Is it ducking if you say "I'm no longer the fighter I was, I need to get out before I'm beaten for the fighter I am now"

    Think of RJJ, had he retired after Ruiz...
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    A fighter is entitled to retire whenever he wants too...and he will be judged accordingly to what he achieved during his active years. Simple as that.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Then good for them. They're the ones putting their lives on the line, not us.

    And then when fighters go on too long, you get all these people saying these fighters are "damaging their legacy". Even though most of the greats went on too long.
     
  4. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe said he was beginning to slip after the Kessler fight. Fair enough, two paydays and then retirement...at least he was honest and didn't claim that he would beat everybody etc.

    Lewis could have retired a little more gracefully had he acknowledged what happened in that fight with Vitali more realistically.
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Calzaghe is an interesting one, I felt he had slipped drastically since the earlier days of his career in 2001 but was still good enough to defeat the guys he had infront of him.

    You could see with Kessler that he had lost a step, he basically beat Kessler by being smarter and an outside boxer, he could no longer dominant Kessler on the inside like he'd been used to doing to anyone else.
     
  6. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't hold it against them. Lennox, Calzaghe, etc., have a right to retire any time they please. While it sucks we didn't get more fights out of them, the fact of the matter is that when you're at the top, there's always "one more fight". You gotta be able to resist that temptation or you get Roy Jonesed eventually. Guaranteed. Nobody lives forever in the hurt business.
     
  7. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Nothing wrong with Lewis's retirement.

    Calzaghe retired solely to protect that 0, that was his legacy.
     
  8. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    You're a total ****.

    Lewis was younger than Calzaghe and had less fights than Calzaghe upon retirement.
     
  9. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Age is not as determinant of the decline of skill as you think it does. Lewis has been in too many wars, Lewis of 03 was no where near what Lewis of 95 was. Calzaghe has been kept fresh during his reign and hasnt shown much wear and tear. 2007 Calzaghe is not the same as 99 Calzaghe but its not that far off.
     
  10. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Complete ****ing nonsense, 2007 Calzaghe couldn't throw a real punch without breaking his hand, hadn't knocked anyone out since Manfredo. 99 Calzaghe was knocking out people at an 85% rating.

    Yeah, he hadn't detoriated at all right?

    Let's see, Calzaghe retired having beat the two legitimate threats to him, Hopkins and Kessler.

    Lewis retired having promised a rematch to someone who was beating him before a cut stopped the fight.

    Don't revise history.
     
  11. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    He has, not the extent you are making it out to be. He has only been showing signs of decline since the Bika fight.

    I take it you are bitter about the Lewis retirement then.

    Like another poster said its their right to retire. But you cant deny the fact (unless you're stubborn) that Lewis was completely off from his very best whilst Calzaghe was just starting to show signs of decline.
     
  12. uraharakisuke

    uraharakisuke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who are we to say any fighter should keep fighting? We're not in the ring.
     
  13. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Having seen you make statements about Pacquaio, it's easy to see what sort of poster you are.

    It's obvious you only know of Calzaghe from the days after Lacy, otherwise you'd realise the guy who stepped into the ring against Woodhall, Reid or Eubank would not have fought his way to a UD against a fighter like Salem.

    Any statement you make on Calzaghe is history revisionism because of this, because you saw an impressive performance against Lacy where he seemingly dominated a fighter he was expected to lose against, despite people in that fight stating he didn't look the fighter he once was and that his power had left him.

    Lewis retired with very questionable circumstances, he had a fighter he had just fought give him the fight of his life (without him being sloppy in the ring and just not taking the fight seriously)

    Calzaghe retired having been knocked down twice in the first round in his last two fights and finding a way to come back and win.

    Let's see, who seems more detoriated, a guy who used to take monster punches and keep moving forward like Calzaghe or a guy who was able to fight a 6'8 monster and cut him so badly he couldn't continue.

    Don't revise history, you stupid ****.
     
  14. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    :lol: this dude is butt hurt
     
  15. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    More so just sick of that particular poster and his flooding of any thread involving Mayweather, Klitschko or Calzaghe with negative bull**** while sucking (literally) the **** of Pacquaio in every single thread possible.

    PS, you're generally a **** ****ing poster too - get off the addiction to fighters.