If a fighter's "Greatness" is judged by his "prime", how long does it have to be?

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  1. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    15 Fights?

    10 Fights?

    1 Second?

    24 Fights?

    1 Fight?

    2 Fights?


    The above are examples of possible correct answers.

    Discuss.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A fighters greatness is not, and never will be, judged upon his prime. Unless you're a die-hard Tyson fan.
     
  3. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Many Tyson fans would argue with that :yep

    But what about guys like Bowe?
     
  4. KO byBRIGGS

    KO byBRIGGS Making a comeback Full Member

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    I agree here look at Holyfield for example...lets talk in theory he takes the WBO strap and continues to unfiy (unlikely but for example lets say) then Holyfield would be arguably on of the greatest fighter of all time for a feat that happend 10-15 years after his prime. It is about over all careers not the time people call "prime" the word is so hard to define these days with guys like Hopkins still being able to dominate at later stages of their careers.
     
  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    If we are counting the positives for Holyfield, we must count the negatives as well.

    Think Toney and Donald.

    Or perhaps Ruiz.
     
  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Greatness is pointless -fullstop- Bestness is what is important and that can indeed be judged by one appropiate fight -fullstop-
     
  7. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    But in order to determine which fights are appropriate, we must solve the "prime" dispute.
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a tricky one, he is actually better than his prime -fullstop-
     
  9. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    Like Calzaghe hamburgering Lacy.:D
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    I love this post.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Very good post.

    There is an even better example in Ali. Ali's peak is obviously just pre-ban. But his greatness wasn't proven until well after that. Post-ban we find out he has a granite chin, proper heart and the tools to dig into the bed rock plus ego to match his earlier rants. Combining what we know of his physical prime and his mental attributes (previously obscured) we have the best heavyweight of all time and possibly the best fighter.

    Prime is only a part of this equation, and not the most important one.
     
  12. 1-Ton

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    I think it's entirely subjective from fighter to fighter. For instance, I don't believe Riddick Bowe was a "great" fighter, because looking at his resume, even though he was a unified champ, he did not accomplish much outside of beating Holyfield the first time to claim the title. Tyson, on the other hand, while his reign as champion and window of "greatness" was relatively short, he was so dominant in that era, that he can only be considered great.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I agree that "best" is more important than "greatest", though i don't see greatness as pointless.

    I also don't agree that best can be judged by one appropriate fight.
     
  14. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You agree though, right -fullstop- His peak performance did come way after his prime -fullstop-
     
  15. McGrain

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    Possible. But that wouldn't make him better than his prime.

    That read beautifully.