If a fighter's "Greatness" is judged by his "prime", how long does it have to be?

I think it would do more so than beating Kessler, Hopkins and Taylor, for example - the last two are NAMES, not live dangermen.

Patroclus is supposed to have been his best friend and lover...yes...sexual lover too...but the love between two men in their culture had different connotations to what it would have today. I suppose we cannot even comprehend what it must have felt to them: they thought you couldn't love a woman truly, only lust after her/be infatuated with her - true friendship and love could only occur between two men...:think ...and Achilles was hardly bisexual either...they just thought of sex and friendship in a different way, I guess.

 

I know. But it is still funny to think of those warriors writhing in pain and lust for eachother atsch

 

I think I understand now.

"Calzaghe is the best of all time, the most talented of all time but not the greatest."

Do we all agree with this statement -questionmark-

 

It's funny to us, because we cannot understand it.

 

I know.

Whats also funny is that everyone who watched the movie Gladiator fails to realize that Maximus, if he did indeed exist which I don't believe he did, would have been most likely be the reciever for that big black dude

 

I don't think I am qualified to agree or disagree, but I would say, of current fighters I have seen, Joe is one of the best and one of the most talented, if not the best and most talented, but not the greatest. :good

 

Well, maybe not... ...more likely he would have fancied Lucius!:yep

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Talking bollocks on a boxing site with some dudes from across the pond!:good

 

I certainly don't though I feel Calzaghe is one of the best of our generation he is not even close to the greatest or the potential greatest. Using your logic fighters like Ivan Calderon, PBF **** man even Zab Judah would be considered more talented all time.......

 

Can we at least agree it is extremely probable Calzaghe is the best human boxer of all time -questionmark-

 

Zab Judah lacks mental talent. Which does count. He is physically talented, but that is it.

 

Including only boxers -questionmark-

 

If he had fought Jones in 2000, we wouldn't be having a talk about how great Calzaghe is, we would be having a talk about Calzaghe recovered from his first loss to still have a chance at unifying the SMW titles.:deal